I mean… I’m not in the US but I always thought that you guys have a right wing and a far right wing party. I don’t see any leftist party… so it makes sense that they would be more aligned with fascism than socialism in terms of ideology.
Its kind of the joke here
This post and comment section desperately need to touch grass. Nobody in the real world wants anything to do with you commies.
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This infighting is very dissapointing and counterproductive.
I don’t really understand why we can’t give each other a little bit of grace. It sounds like everyone believes the “other side” is downright evil which begs the question what are we even fighting for ?
There is no perfect not even a good choice to make here. On the one hand republicans are extremly dangerous and everything they fuck up can’t be easily repaired, you still suffer from the policychoices under reagan but on the other hand democrats are very complicit but they at least give room for positive development.
I can’t be mad at people not feeling great about electing someone that supports israel but Palestians are probably worse off now than they would be under kamala but than again how can we expect the party to change when they get votes simply for being not as bad.
We should focus on the real problem which is a antidemocratic voting system. You can be as mad as you want about your countrymen and the democratic party but as long as you don’t have a real choice and megadonors the problems will remain, the most important part is to rally as many people as you can behind a shared believe not necessarily convince them to share all of yours.
I almost never see discussions about how to actually make your country a democracy, only infighting. In theory it would be relativly simple to impliment these changes, practically it is obviously complicated and an uphill battle but it is certainly more practical and unifying than shitting on each other.
Only one threatens their class interests.
Yup!
I wish we could stop pretending the US wasn’t a fascist nation for a very long time now. It gets old seeing things like “fascist takeover” when it is just different factions within fascism duking it out.
Hmm…do I want a neofascists or more traditional fascist? That is the garbage options we have to vote for.
That’s why we call social democrats the moderate wing of fascism. They exist solely to normalize fascism and to facilitate the fascist transition, by acting as a controlled opposite to distract the left away from socialism, and then to attack those who remain in the socialist camp. Although, the US is so cucked as a nation that they don’t even get the “social democracy” part, but even their controlled “opposition” is openly neoliberal and can hardly even be considered an “opposition” at all, controlled or otherwise.
It’s a fairly decent strategy to placate the right wing base with social democracy. Even opponents of socialism can’t deny that. I think that’s part of its appeal.
It is ineffective when the rachet effect is in place, though. The neoliberal wing is more focused on maintaining that first and foremost.
Love how the people in the comments are hyping up the “human rights” records of genocidal, pro police, we will outflank republicans to the right on the border democrats.
I love how the most basic social democratic(at best) policies in the US are framed as “socialism”
The US never recovered from the Red Scare and McCarthyism. I’d even argue that both of those things entrenched US society into propaganda even more.
The idea of the “undeserving” getting anything provided to them gets a lot of people very angry here. And then those same people probably:
- Call themselves good Christians.
- Are beneficiaries of some sort of public welfare whether they realize it or not.
If they’re opposed to “socialism” as Fox News uses the term because some of the recipients aren’t “deserving”, they have started far from the words attributed to Jesus and God in the Christian Bible.
https://biblerepository.com/bible-verses-about-socialism/
Matthew 25:35
“For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in.”
(And if you think this quote is out of context, go read the chapter. Jesus is depicted literally telling his followers that to get into heaven they need to take care of the poor.)
But like only for the deserving(right skin colour) poor’s right? /S
Technically it is, no? Socialism is community ownership of the means of production which includes labor. And that can arguably be extended to socialized services for labor such has healthcare, public transportation, and grocery stores.
Social democracy is not socialism by any metric, socialism starts at ownership of the means of production by workers, and a state that works for the proletariat and not capitalists. That’s the starting point, from there you can then add whatever social programs on top, but if you don’t start from there you’re still in a bourgeois democracy
I disagree, socialist institutions or services can still exist within a capitalist government, even if it is piecemeal. There doesn’t have to be a threshhold to pass for some aspect to be considered socialism.
To expand upon you: examples of such institutions or policies would be free healthcare, universal basic income, but also places like libraries. You could even call (financial) support for housing & children, as well as progressive taxes socialist - despite the system in which they exist being capitalist.
Leftists who keep looking down on liberals are just as bad as the liberals the meme is about.
No, they really aren’t.
Nah liberals are fucking stupid. Go suck a billionaire dick for a campaign donation.
This attitude is why the right is winning. The left, both leftists and liberals, would rather keep gatekeeping what counts as left than actually make any progress to the left.
Liberals are NOT leftist. Leftism begins at anti capitalism.
Naw, the right was winning because the liberals were not representing the people’s wishes. Being more vocal can only help the left win.
billionaire dick sucking noises
Trust me, those noises are coming from the people eating up the liberal vs leftist propaganda.
Democrats are owned by the same oligarchs that own the Republicans.
democrats just haven’t had the chance to show their true colors! says a zoomer with no knowledge of history.
remember in the 90s when they pushed the crime bill, NAFTA and welfare reform? that wasn’t the republicans–which the youth hated. it was the democrats who passed all that bullshit, which had long-lasting effects on america.
you’re up shits creek right now because of the democrats. shove that into the end of your legal dispensary pre-roll and smoke it!
what was the difference between reagan in 1985 and clinton in 1995 other than a sax solo?
BTW, i don’t use the oxford comma because i graduated from oxford and we always considered it a way to separate the actually educated from the wannabes.
Historical photo of Hakeem Jeffries
Yes, oligarchs have corrupted as many politicians as they are able. But ignoring that the Democrats are still the only party standing up for any human rights at all is ignorant.
If you are only participating in the general election, you are part of the problem.
It’s like how the Republican party might not actually be racist - at least, not all Republicans are racist - but somehow almost all of the racists are Republican.
In the same way, yes, a lot of Democrats - and the “establishment” wing of the Democrat party is shitty and corrupt, but where do you think the change is coming from? Change that has any chance of success? Recently, it’s started to self-identify as DSA. DSA is not a party, it is an organization. Anyone running as DSA runs… wait for it… as a Democrat. (Maybe you can find someone not affiliated, but it’s gonna be rare).
Our political system will naturally tend toward TWO PARTIES always. So a third party is always a waste of your vote - UNLESS you can build that third party support to take over one of the two existing parties.
So how do we fix this mess?
- In the general, vote for the less insane option. If that’s an establishment Democrat running against a fascist, suck it up, bub, and don’t fucking shoot yourself in the foot
- In the primaries, vote for the best option. But also: Donate if you’re able. Volunteer to campaign if you can - letter writing, texting, et cetera. Support the candidate you want
- Consider running for office if you’re able
- Lend whatever support you can to those who are actually standing up for change
- Balance holding their feet to the fire and remembering that if you fucking destroy candidates because they don’t meet your high standards, you’ll be left with the fucking corrupt pieces of shit and the fascists like we have now
Demonizing ALL Democrats because a lot of them are, in fact, corrupt only helps fascists.
Getting you to go “BOTH SIDES” and give up is what the fucking fascists want.
So OP is probably not a fascist, but this post certainly helps the fascists, unless it actually inspired people to support progressive candidates. But most of these types of posts don’t do that, they cause people to say “Fuck all politicians!” and so the fascists win, because that’s exactly what they fucking want.
The guys that did a genocide care about human rights?
You’re right, we should totally sit this one out again and not vote. Because that worked so well last time.
Balance holding their feet to the fire and remembering that if you fucking destroy candidates because they don’t meet your high standards, you’ll be left with the fucking corrupt pieces of shit and the fascists like we have now
Pray tell, WHAT FUCKING HIGH STANDARDS? Not being knee deep in genocide blood money? Not meeting with Hitler II’s son-in-law for secret negotiations? Actually having progressive policies instead of vague allusions to egg prices? What? Tell us! What is so ‘unreasonable’ here?
What are we supposed to slacken up on? The genocide, the collaborationism or the hope of have anything actually change? Which?
To be fair go look at dsa leadership (and some of the politicians), they do Russia apologia and have said tons of unhinged stuff, and abdul campaigned with hasan, who even if you agree with him you’re just giving Republicans and moderates a firehose of his greatest hits, like clips of him saying hamas is based and the real heroes, which might legitimately cost him a super important race.
I think it’s cute when we get close to elections all these account pop up to shit on the only party with a chance to beat the republicans.
So it’s cool for the DSA to tell people to not vote for kamla in 2020, effectively helping Trump win? Does that not also count as choosing fascism over a less socialist agenda?
I’ll take bullshit that you shat into your hand for $500
Liberals being disingenuous to blame their left-flank instead of the establishment’s failure to oppose fascism?
Crazy how that works, lol
Just intellectually lazy people punching down… wonder if there’s a correlation?
Did you think I wouldn’t read that or something? Because that literally says that Kamala is the same as Trump.
that literally says that Kamala is the same as Trump.
It literally doesn’t.
It DOES, however, say something you’d do well to take to heart:
The risk of a Trump presidency has grown because of her deliberate strategic choices. If Trump wins, the blame will lie squarely with Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party establishment.
They weren’t calling her out by lying about her being identical to the Mango Mussolini.
They were calling her out for being bad at the job of defeating him due to shitting on everyone who’s in any way anti-war or just morally opposed to genocide, as well as anyone with policy preferences to the Left of Reagan.
No? It says “our members deserve better because the two front runner candidates chose these same few stances on these key areas”.
If you read “these two are literally the same and you shouldn’t vote” then that’s pretty much on you.
My original reply was in regards to the 2020 election and had nothing to do with the current DSA page. So I stand by my statement that during the last presidential election, The far left spent just as much time attacking liberals as they did the Republicans while the Republicans only attacked to the left. And anyone using Israel as an excuse to not endorse Kamala in 2024 cared more about virtue signaling than actually minimizing harm. Everyone on the left knew that a trump presidency would be far more dangerous by every metric then a Kamala presidency, and that’s before you even take into account his ongoing attempts at interfering in elections.
Its the dumbest trick the left fall for every time: criticise your own side and fight amongst yourselves.
Someone will be along in a moment to tell us that protesting outside a democracy’s campaign rally is the only way to reduce related casualties.
Liberals and leftists ARE NOT ON THE SAME SIDE
You seem to be 18 hours late.
Correct, and now that the midterms are here, it’s time to start hating on the Democrats in toto. If we were to complete this harebrained analogy the far left punches right in order to protect the other end of the horseshoe.
