I’m sick of all these fascist plants pretending to be progressive while trying to convince us it’s not worth bothering to vote Dem in the upcoming elections because they’re all the same. They aren’t, and you know they aren’t you fucking Nazi.
The progressive movement is having its best year ever in the Democratic primaries and can continue to do so. We need to change the party, yes. But that’s secondary to removing power from Trump.
Biden, Obama, and Clinton weren’t true leftists. But they sure as shit weren’t the dumpster fire we have now and we HAVE to neuter these fuckers in November.
Yeah I’m almost 100% positive at this point that Hakeem Jeffries is one such GOP plant (among others, he just stands out the most to me). He goes against everything the Democratic party cares about.
I’m actually talking about the trolls making these posts.
Are you dumb? Have you not seen all the Dems going after progressive Dems who won their primaries and are saying to vote for the fuckin Republican instead?? Liberals are the worst kind of people who will actively vote against their wishes because scawyyy sowcialism.
They get together with their friends from across the aisle and count votes to ensure everyone has a chance to stay in power together. Every single time, 5-6 random democrats vote with their best buddies from across the aisle.
And then people like you come online and carry their water.
Just maybe stop posting if you want to defend the “good guy” in their little good cop bad cop ruse.
Thanks.
you fucking Nazi.
Welp, thanks for that. Clearly you love your team so much that anyone who does not hold your opinions is a “nazi”, there can be nothing but vote for your team after all.
You have no idea how absolutely insane you americans sound. This mess is on all of you, and honestly I would rather the us just collapse at this point. You have no ability or will to fix your party of choice let alone your nation. But please prove me wrong, do anything at this point. Vote blue sure at the very minimum, but please understand that you have an administration currently that does everything by decree and ignores your laws and traditions making your vote mean less and less as days pass.
Right. You don’t live here and you’re wildly ignorant of what’s happening here politically, but we’re still supposed to take your nonstop bullshit lectures about how Democrats are the real problem and what? Just pretend that you’re not full of shit?
The problem is Republicans. Full fucking stop.
If you can’t get on board with that, then you’re not fucking helping anyone other than yourself.
Right. You don’t live here and you’re wildly ignorant of what’s happening here politically, but we’re still supposed to take your nonstop bullshit lectures about how Democrats are the real problem and what? Just pretend that you’re not full of shit?
I am not wildly ignorant, you have all made sure the world is not. And no I did not attack your team unduly, they suck less then the other guys.
The problem is the two party system and americans, no stop since like most things this is not really a thing to be putting in such absolutes. If I can’t get on board with that, then what? Your going to threaten me? Invade me? Make me think “correctly”?
I am involved in my way, in my area, in my nation. You can scream all you like into the void you have all made, but I will not “full fucking stop” calling you americans out. Like the little meme we are all typing under.
Have the Dems fucked up a lot? Yes. But short of an actual Civil War, the only way to curb this madness is to vote Dem in November and flip the legislature. The GOP’s fascism was hypercharged by targeting the Republican primaries. We can do the same the other direction on the left, and we’ve had recent success doing just that. And that terrifies the Nazis more than anything.
So they go to our online communities, pretend to be one of us, and try to convince people that the Dems who have failed to stop the GOP are the real problem. The fascists are very active here and elsewhere trying to convince leftists not to vote for the one party that can actually stop the GOP. They say that the Dems are no different than the GOP and try to get the left to split the vote in a manner that will ensure Trump and company win.
But short of an actual Civil War,
Right there you are actively doing what you are accusing others of.
It is not the only way, your american madness is not normal. You claim all online spaces as your own american democrat places, they are not. The world is not putting up with your wild team based bullshit anymore. Fix your shit, its not on the rest of the world to “fall in line” with your views or stop talking or thinking while you do it (or fail to).
We can do the same the other direction on the left…
The very fact that this statement does not terrify you people is wild, you are all so far up your own team based sauce that you can not see that by making “your team = good, their team = evil” is how you are in this mess. You are living in the honest by any measure end of your nation and are upset anyone thinks that the very system that delivered you to this point is not up to the task is peak american.
So fuck me for discussing American politics on a thread about… American Politics?
Right now there are 2 sides. The fascists currently running the show, and everybody who doesn’t support them. I’m specifically saying that eblveryone who doesn’t like concentration camps, gestapo, and the blatant, naked corruption of this administration blput aside theor differences and vote for the party that has a chance to stop it without violence.
I’m specifically trying to fix our shit, so kindly get out the fucking way and jerk off to your own superiority elsewhere.
So fuck me for discussing American politics on a thread about… American Politics?
You mean shutting down any and all other options then the status quo?
I watched you all tell people that 2 years ago was not the time, that last year was not the time, that now is not the time. So when do you actually fix anything? Because I can see plain as day that it by design is never the time.
You telling people to “kindly get out the fucking way and jerk off to your own superiority elsewhere.” for not agreeing with you is (and this should not shock you) more then a little bit fascist. I will keep doing my part where I am and will continue to comment on american politics on a thread about… american politics.
You were calling me out for discussing American Politics as an American. I personally think I’m entitled to an opinion on my own fucking country’s politics, especially when I’m in a position to do something.
All you assholes seem to do is insist that we magic a fix thay cannot happen overnight.
And yeah, 2 years ago we told people to vote against Trump no matter who. But you motherfuckers spent the whole time saying Kamala’s nomination wasn’t fair, or that the Dems were no worse than the GOP. And it worked and millions stayed home instead of voting for Harris.
That lead dorectly to every fucking thing that’s happened under Trump’s watch, from wars of choice to gestapo takeovers of American cities, to the murder of hundreds of civilians in fishing boats, to worldwide economic catatrophe, to the deaths of millions from USAID cuts, to the collapse of food safety regulations, and so, so much more.
People like you have blood on your hands.
You were calling me out for discussing American Politics as an American. I personally think I’m entitled to an opinion on my own fucking country’s politics, especially when I’m in a position to do something.
Nope, I was (and am) calling you out for pushing the status quo in a broken system. Unlike you people I don’t expect you to stop talking or thinking.
All you assholes seem to do is insist that we magic a fix thay cannot happen overnight.
Once again, not from me. I am stating that you all need to start something or you will be in the same place you are now forever.
And yeah, 2 years ago we told people to vote against Trump no matter who. But you motherfuckers spent the whole time saying Kamala’s nomination wasn’t fair, or that the Dems were no worse than the GOP. And it worked and millions stayed home instead of voting for Harris.
Second highest voter turn out in your nations history, but hey since I also never told people to stay home and not vote, you are not only wrong but wrong in multiple ways. The people saying the nomination was not fair where correct, but so what? You had the turn out and more of you americans voted for the yellow king. The world watched him make speeches right from a Mussolini style rally yet you all still voted for that, and instead of any tiny amount of introspection as to why that happened you say shit like that.
That lead dorectly to every fucking thing that’s happened under Trump’s watch, from wars of choice to gestapo takeovers of American cities, to the murder of hundreds of civilians in fishing boats, to worldwide economic catatrophe, to the deaths of millions from USAID cuts, to the collapse of food safety regulations, and so, so much more.
Yes it did, and once again, why do you think it is that people given two choices (the status quo or to burn it all down in a wild racist final ride) they picked the yellow man claiming he would do all of that? You are all way to used to just blaming the other team and hand waving any sort of responsibility.
People like you have blood on your hands.
Ok that is funny.
One, I am sure I do. Why you think you can sit on any sort of high horse as an american is peak comedy.
Two, and I am not sure why I have to keep reiterating this, I never once have told people not to vote. I feel its the least, the very least someone can do. You have painted me as some sort of enemy in your head that you have made for anyone who does not fit into your ideals, something you should understand is very very dangerous.
Three, and this one is the big one. You have the blood on your hands, we are not all american, you are. You have spent your entire life living in a society that tried to dictate what others should and could do, played world police, pushed everyone around, and called out evil when you thought you all saw it. Now it is your turn in the hot seat, and all I see is excuses and digging deeper.
And their magic solution is always to do nothing, not support the Democrats, and see if total collapse is better than fixing anything.
The crazy part is, you literally can’t tell which ones are just teenager morons and which ones are literal fascists, because an adult fascist THINKS LIKE a fucking teenaged moron. So good luck sorting out which of these people means well but is a teenaged idiot, and which ones are the actual fascists.
They make the same arguments with the same flawed logic because they have the same brain limitations.
Thanks for the productive and not at all pretentions, performative comment about a country you don’t live in.
Oh not being from a nation has never stopped you people from having an opinion, why would that matter to me?
Or does the collapse of the last superpower (who is actively against my nation) not concern me in a way you care for?
They weren’t leftists, or anything close, but rewarding them for being ‘at least you arent trump’ sends them a message that they don’t really have to try.
On the flip side, Trump has caused a ton of pain, and I think anyone who was trying to punish the dems for being shit is regretting it at this point, but I do see a bit of a light at the end of the tunnel here.
Nobody who’s thought on it even briefly thinks unfettered capitalism is good anymore lmao.
Look, if we really believe that the Dems aren’t the answer then the only choice we have left is mob violence, and a full blown governmental reset with a new Constitution. Personally I’m for that, however, I would like to give The Democratic Party enough rope to make it clear that is what needs to happen, or enough rope to actually get us out of this mess and on the path of recovery.
But yeah, if you’re not willing to use your small piece of violence allotted to you by the system, then I assume you’re mad enough to actually get bloody. And if you’re not either one of those, then your opinion doesn’t really have any weight, and you’re exactly what they accuse you of.
Thats a bit of a pivot from the topic, im talking about pressuring the dems to change, not taking to the street. Adapt or fail.
Not rewarding them means we give up our right to vote after which we won’t be able to remove the right without bullets because we won’t have fair elections anymore. It’s estimated that dismantling USAID alone will cause 14M preventable deaths by 2030 many of them children.
I guess the question is why are you willing to kill millions of children and crash our entire country in order to make a point we’ll only appreciate after we are watching them drag people to the death camps they are already building.
The response would be, to save millions more from a future even worse dystopia that potentially lasts indefinitely.
Republicans are the hammer, Democrats are the anvil.
Germany says hi :(
I mean… I’m not in the US but I always thought that you guys have a right wing and a far right wing party. I don’t see any leftist party… so it makes sense that they would be more aligned with fascism than socialism in terms of ideology.
Parties don’t control the politicians inside them the same way they might be able to in some other countries. So it’s one fascist party and one big tent everything from left to right party
Its kind of the joke here
They said the Dems would,
Take away your privacy,
Nope it was maga
The patriot act was bipartisan. ALPRs are being installed in all states regardless of political affiliation. Data companies donate to politicians on both sides if the isle.
This isn’t a partisan thing.
Campist.
AfD winning in Saxony Anhalt… Are you kidding me, guys? Yes, let’s support the party that supports putin and ruzzia who keep placing explosives at our power grids cause that’s what will make it better surely smh
Only one threatens their class interests.
Yup!
Love that Melania is there but Trump ain’t.
Same. In my headcannon, they all insisted she leave him at home and she was happy to comply.
As evidenced by the closest thing to a believably sincere smile she’s been wearing in public since before Epstein recruited her.
I wish we could stop pretending the US wasn’t a fascist nation for a very long time now. It gets old seeing things like “fascist takeover” when it is just different factions within fascism duking it out.
Hmm…do I want a neofascists or more traditional fascist? That is the garbage options we have to vote for.
I love how the most basic social democratic(at best) policies in the US are framed as “socialism”
The idea of the “undeserving” getting anything provided to them gets a lot of people very angry here. And then those same people probably:
- Call themselves good Christians.
- Are beneficiaries of some sort of public welfare whether they realize it or not.
If they’re opposed to “socialism” as Fox News uses the term because some of the recipients aren’t “deserving”, they have started far from the words attributed to Jesus and God in the Christian Bible.
https://biblerepository.com/bible-verses-about-socialism/
Matthew 25:35
“For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in.”
(And if you think this quote is out of context, go read the chapter. Jesus is depicted literally telling his followers that to get into heaven they need to take care of the poor.)
But like only for the deserving(right skin colour) poor’s right? /S
The US never recovered from the Red Scare and McCarthyism. I’d even argue that both of those things entrenched US society into propaganda even more.
Technically it is, no? Socialism is community ownership of the means of production which includes labor. And that can arguably be extended to socialized services for labor such has healthcare, public transportation, and grocery stores.
Social democracy is not socialism by any metric, socialism starts at ownership of the means of production by workers, and a state that works for the proletariat and not capitalists. That’s the starting point, from there you can then add whatever social programs on top, but if you don’t start from there you’re still in a bourgeois democracy
I disagree, socialist institutions or services can still exist within a capitalist government, even if it is piecemeal. There doesn’t have to be a threshhold to pass for some aspect to be considered socialism.
To expand upon you: examples of such institutions or policies would be free healthcare, universal basic income, but also places like libraries. You could even call (financial) support for housing & children, as well as progressive taxes socialist - despite the system in which they exist being capitalist.
Leftists who keep looking down on liberals are just as bad as the liberals the meme is about.
We don’t look down on liberals. They are our enemies. Underestimating the enemy is key to losing any battle.
No, they really aren’t.
Nah liberals are fucking stupid. Go suck a billionaire dick for a campaign donation.
This attitude is why the right is winning. The left, both leftists and liberals, would rather keep gatekeeping what counts as left than actually make any progress to the left.
Liberals are NOT leftist. Leftism begins at anti capitalism.
Naw, the right was winning because the liberals were not representing the people’s wishes. Being more vocal can only help the left win.
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Trust me, those noises are coming from the people eating up the liberal vs leftist propaganda.
That’s you. You think liberals are leftists.
You should work on your reading comprehension. I never said that. I said that I think they should stop fighting each other.
Love how the people in the comments are hyping up the “human rights” records of genocidal, pro police, we will outflank republicans to the right on the border democrats.
Democrats are owned by the same oligarchs that own the Republicans.
It’s the inevitable end result. It’s pretty hard to compete with money. They just keep buying your leaders.
It’s the inevitable end result.
Its the inevitable end result of a two party system to become like this. There is no mechanism to replace a party in the us, no 3rd options. Having just two and no way to boot ether to the curb without becoming a single party state means that interests can just buy both sides, and the people in both camps win more if they take more from those interests making a nasty feedback loop.
Historical photo of Hakeem Jeffries
This post and comment section desperately need to touch grass. Nobody in the real world wants anything to do with you commies.
No shit. Everyone wants to feel superior than some subjectively perceived minority (or majority) group. That’s why capitalism is so popular in most countries. But that doesn’t mean it’s a good choice or the only choice.
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That’s why we call social democrats the moderate wing of fascism. They exist solely to normalize fascism and to facilitate the fascist transition, by acting as a controlled opposite to distract the left away from socialism, and then to attack those who remain in the socialist camp. Although, the US is so cucked as a nation that they don’t even get the “social democracy” part, but even their controlled “opposition” is openly neoliberal and can hardly even be considered an “opposition” at all, controlled or otherwise.
It’s a fairly decent strategy to placate the right wing base with social democracy. Even opponents of socialism can’t deny that. I think that’s part of its appeal.
It is ineffective when the rachet effect is in place, though. The neoliberal wing is more focused on maintaining that first and foremost.
Social democracy is to placate the left, not the right. Late 19th century and early 20th century western Europe was fraught with civil wars from a lot of attempts and failed communist revolutions, such as in Finland, Spain, France, and Greece. Tensions were very high and social democracy spread as a way to provide just enough concessions to working class people that the ire from the working class would not erupt into revolutionary violence.
Although, with the turn of the 21st century, with basically the complete non-existence of socialists and communists as a global force, this placation has become rather pointless and so these western European countries have begun boiling the frog and slowly rolling them back through endless austerity.
The right is never placated. It’s impossible to placate them. They always want more more more. If you give them an inch they will take a mile. It really stems from the material basis of the left and right.
The right represents the ruling class, which are well-organized and backed by enormous centralized financial institutions. The left represents the working class, which are not organized at all and not backed by any centralized institutions.
This distinction matters because it means the right always, continually, behaves as a well-organized force, constantly pushing its agenda non-stop, but the left only really can push its agenda in rare instances where working class people happen to spontaneously come together enough to push back. The right is thus always at an inherent advantage in this way.
These spontaneous coming-togethers, though, tend to be short lived and disintegrate over time. Hence, if that “pushing back” doesn’t lead to an overthrow of the capitalist class, and the transfer of these major centralized financial institutions out of the hands of the oligarchs and into the hands of working people, then any gains become short lived as eventually the spontaneous working class organizations will either disintegrate or become defanged and ineffective over time, allowing for whatever gains they achieved to be rolled back.
I don’t really have a disagreement with what you’re saying, but please note I said ‘right wing base’, which is predominantly working class.
Social democratic policies can be successful where class consciousness is lacking or suppressed.
This infighting is very dissapointing and counterproductive.
I don’t really understand why we can’t give each other a little bit of grace. It sounds like everyone believes the “other side” is downright evil which begs the question what are we even fighting for ?
There is no perfect not even a good choice to make here. On the one hand republicans are extremly dangerous and everything they fuck up can’t be easily repaired, you still suffer from the policychoices under reagan but on the other hand democrats are very complicit but they at least give room for positive development.
I can’t be mad at people not feeling great about electing someone that supports israel but Palestians are probably worse off now than they would be under kamala but than again how can we expect the party to change when they get votes simply for being not as bad.
We should focus on the real problem which is a antidemocratic voting system. You can be as mad as you want about your countrymen and the democratic party but as long as you don’t have a real choice and megadonors the problems will remain, the most important part is to rally as many people as you can behind a shared believe not necessarily convince them to share all of yours.
I almost never see discussions about how to actually make your country a democracy, only infighting. In theory it would be relativly simple to impliment these changes, practically it is obviously complicated and an uphill battle but it is certainly more practical and unifying than shitting on each other.
