CORRECTION: A previous version of this article misstated that this poll had a likely voter screen. Democrats have a 57%-40% lead among men ages 18-30 who say they’re the most determined to vote.

  • Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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    Of course they are.

    1. Party A wins election, workers make less, companies make more.
    2. It’s the last election! Party A will seize power if we don’t stop them! They’re cheating!
    3. Party B wins election, workers make less, companies make more.
    4. It’s the last election! Party B will seize power if we don’t stop them! They’re cheating!
    5. Party A wins… repeat for 200 years

    BoTh SiDeS aren’t the same, one is pro-LGBT, the other is pro-church. However, they are bOtH anti-union and pro-billionaire. For evidence, look at company profits vs. worker earnings for the past 70 years.

    Each party uses the other to blame their “mistakes” (i.e. deliberate failures against popular will) on. The only “cure” presented is party A or party B, both refuse to represent the people.

    Something like 80% of voters want universal healthcare, 90% Democratic support with 60% independent support and even 30% Republican support. Since the 1990s. It doesn’t matter.

    The vast majority of people want higher minimum wage. Undeniable. Over 20 years of “15 an hour” protests. Biden won on minimum wage platform. Doesn’t matter.

    Nobody wanted to go to war against Iraq. Trump won on a “no war” platform. Doesn’t matter.

    I vote in every election, and you should, too. Because it’s funny.

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      All I know is that for my entire life when Dems are in power we have economic recovery, better healthcare, and a lot less chaos.

      Every time republicans get in power we hit some kind of calamity. Republican calamities include 9/11, 2008 financial meltdown, covid, and now ICE murders + new war in Iran. Sure some of these weren’t directly caused by the admins but boy it’s weird how their general style of governance seems to open the door to shit.

      I get every party benefits big business, but dems have a better track record of not ruining everything. They’re not perfect but the track record is there to show republicans are actually bad for the economy and bad for society and the world despite their weirdly effective marketing that seems to convinced a lot of people that they are the party of good business. They are clearly not, and furthermore the government is NOT a business and should not be run like one.

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        All I know is that for my entire life when Dems are in power we have economic recovery, better healthcare, and a lot less chaos.

        I noticed you left war and genocide out of this little list.

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      You’re mostly right. But things do matter. No one wanted to go to war. And the consequences of going to war was so bad that Cheney didn’t even try to run for president. Literally no one in America wanted to be involved in Iran, and now Trump’s cult is melting down as their gas prices explode. This absolutely will affect midterms.

      Suck that change for the people is slow, but it happens. Actions still have consequences.

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        Literally no one in America wanted to be involved in Iran

        I guarantee you the evangelicals did. They control the Republican party, they got exactly what they wanted.

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      I hear you, but if you look at things that the progressive wing of the dems are doing, there’s a clear sign that one of the parties is willing to do something. Look at Mamdani in NYC fighting against wage theft. Look at Abdul campaigning with backing from Harris and his pro labor platform and experience.

      I’d cite AOC and some others, but what a lot of dems did with the train union is appalling and I have no defense for it. But I will say that they are far more pro labor than the Rs. Even the more conservative dems back programs like OSHA, which save lives.

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        Look at Mamdani in NYC fighting against wage theft. Look at Abdul campaigning with backing from Harris and his pro labor platform and experience.

        These things are happening in spite of the Democratic party - not because of it. Just look at how hard it was to convince the leadership to back Mamdani even after his meteoric rise.

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          Whether it’s in spite of the party or because of it, it’s still a good sign that the Overton window is shifting and people are more willing than ever to vote for progressive candidates. If we can keep this momentum up then progressives will eventually be the leadership.

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        I think it’s fair to say that the same people who are pro working class, progressive candidates are more likely to side with the pro lgbt party over the pro churchianity party, whether or not there is corruption among either of the establishments. You know, if they have to choose one side or the other. Assuming the DSA movement takes over, the obvious shills will either have to splinter off or defect to the republicans.

        The tide of billionaire or AIPAC money has not helped anyone win an election in a while now, that paints a pretty good picture tbh

      • 🇨🇦GreenBeard🇨🇦@lemmy.ca
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        I think it’s a stretch to say one Party is willing to do something. I think the people willing to do something tend to end up in one party, and those are not the same thing. I think there’s a plurality, and perhaps even a majority within the Democrats that are committed to actually helping, but there’s also a significant faction that are committed to undermining every step forward, and that’s going to keep being a problem. By “A lot more pro-labor” what they end up meaning is that there’s a lot of pro-labor reps, but they’re never going to make a difference because the rest of the party isn’t going to commit to being a real “party” with shared goals and principles and the things that make a party more than just a fundraising apparatus. It’s two parties in a trench coat, one with money and very little public appeal, and one with broad public appeal and very little money.

        Now that does mean something important. It means they’re probably not going to successfully make things worse, which at this point is a lot more than we can say for the GOP, and that matters, but it also means that if things are going to get better, we’re going to have to figure out how to do it ourselves, and not look to “the party” to save us.

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      Except one of the parties actually has interest in, and has constantly threatened for several years now, seizing power.

      It doesn’t fucking matter that there are people saying the same thing about Democrats, it’s not true.

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      You’re confusing neoliberals with Democrats, something that only helps neoliberals and Republicans and hurts literally everyone else…