Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu flew over Greece, Italy, France and Canada on Thursday on his way to address the UN, despite an International Criminal Court warrant for his arrest.
The ICC issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu in November 2024, on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity allegedly committed in Gaza since October 2023.
Netanyahu arrived in the US for a short visit to address the UN General Assembly in New York, where Mayor Zohran Mamdani has said he does not have the authority to arrest the Israeli leader.
But what about the rules based international order?
We break the rules, you follow the orders, Citizen!
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Coming from reddit, it’s interesting to see a world news forum that isn’t entirely and totally captured by Israeli Hasbara mods. I got banned from reddit’s /worldnews for pointing out that “invade Iran” vs “let Iran have nukes” is an asinine false dichotomy. (And I didn’t even use the word “asinine.”)
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I think Iran should have nukes
Ideally no country should have nukes.
However, Iran having nukes may be preferable to Iran having its country ‘annihilated’ by an empire that already has nukes, and is the only country to have ever used them.
In the world where countries do have nukes, I think Iran should have nukes. In a world without nukes I think they should also not have them.
I don’t think any country should have nukes.
In the world where countries do have nukes, I think Iran should have nukes. In a world without nukes I think they should also not have them.
I think any country that allows things like this should get ignored by the ICC for any criminals that they want to have arrested. France looking for a criminal that stole stuff from the Louvre or something? Nah, ask someone else.
France (and the rest of capitalist core) is already ignored by ICC. Reading many comments in this thread i see that people seems to have many misconceptions concerning purpose and scale of ICC. In fact, it is not chasing burglars, but it is the colonial court for Africa and the scale of its activities are kinda pathetic since the number of indicted are not many and many of them were not even arrested and judged.
ICC only had its five minutes when it accused Putin (enthusiastically supported by all the countries that now ignore its accusation against Netanyahu) and now Netanyahu.
- Colonize Africa, appropriating its land and people.
- Stop colonization, but never pay African countries back for it in any noticeable capacity.
- Force African countries to join the World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund, both of which strongly prioritize rich countries’ interests.
- Now they’re not colonies, but they still have to work like slaves to pay off unfair debts.
- Force them to join the ICC, which, among other activities, punishes mostly African government officials for forced labour in their countries, without which they would not be able to pay off debts to rich countries.
This is the West, the one that is supposedly peaceful, democratic, and wants to build a rule-based world order. Yep, checks out.
I hate to say I told you so, but I earlier this week I said the ICC a neocolonial imperialist institution employs selective justice. Turns out the .today and .worlders were wrong again.
What are they supposed to do? Shoot him down?
If he is unwilling to land, when ordered? Yes. He is guilty of committing war crimes, they are supposed to do something about that.
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As a last resirt, yes. But fist try to force him to land obviously.
Literally yes
Yes
FIRE THE MISSILES
Trow ze switch!
“Rules-based international order” folks.
Because US have in law that they can use military force, if them or their allies are put before the ICC.
I wish they’d call the bluff, the US military is already overstretched.
the west’s rules based international order is dead , and they killed it themselves
The question is: was it really ever alive to begin with?
Rules based international suggestions
The Western imperialist rules-based order is the same as it ever was: they make up the rules and order everyone else around.
turns out the “international” law only applies to the global south and that the “international community” is just the NATO and friends.
Remember when France did this on Obama’s orders in 2013? Bolivia Presidential plane forced to land after false rumors of Snowden onboard.
The rules bent order
where Mayor Zohran Mamdani has said he does not have the authority to arrest the Israeli leader.
As expected, he knew this very well
Contrary to France, Italy and Greece who signed the ICC; they have the authority but not the balls nor the spine. Their leaders are fucking losers
Last year it was “I’ll definitely arrest him if he comes to New York”
yes, you know it sounds nice but it’s not more than that.
Politicians going to politician
I know I’ve been posting this a lot but not only is the US not a member of the ICC, but the president is permitted to “all means necessary and appropriate” to free any covered US person or covered allied person if they are arrested. Israel is one of the countries explicitly listed as covered, and the definition of covered includes government officials.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act
France has said they consider heads of states that are not signatories to the treaty to have diplomatic immunity, despite the ICC having jurisdiction over Palestine (who is a signatory).I haven’t heard excuses from the other countries 🕵️♀️I was tricked by an ad into thinking I was done the article 🤦♀️. Lots of great info, answering questions I didn’t know I had!
France has said they consider heads of states that are not signatories to the treaty to have diplomatic immunity, despite the ICC having jurisdiction over Palestine (who is a signatory).
As far as I know, this really was a position France stated two years ago in 2024.
The only takeaway is that when Israel said the ICC is only for African and Arab leaders and not for Western countries and colonies, they were completely right.
The ICC and ICJ are useless Western colonialist institutions which should be dismantled ASAP. Trump is doing the rest of the world a favor by destroying the farce.
No, I won’t agree with the ICC and ICJ being destroyed because it’s exactly what authoritarianism and imperialists want. It should be empowered, not destroyed.
It doesn’t matter if that is what they want. Trump’s has proven to just be incredibly incompetent. He ditches all the soft power because he doesn’t understand it.
Haha, I can’t argue against any of that
I highlight this law not to make comment on the value of the ICC, but to point out that the current admin is just joining 24 years of opposition to it.
Yes I’m sure the blue team would do something about all those war crimes, just like they did when they were in office.
Yes I’m sure the blue team would do something about all those war crimes, just like they did when they were in office.
it’s mind boggling to know that the blue team will still continue on insisting that they’re better than the red team when it comes to war crimes as if it mattered.
The icj never declared a single genocide as a genocide until the genocide end.
To young for the Milosevic trial?
They try hard to erase it from the web but if you can find it it’s a glorious piece of theatre.
The pompous Brit judge in his silly costume and wig trying his best to pretend it’s not a kangaroo court.
Yet having to intervene and stop Milosevic (doing his own defense) every 5 minutes when he cornered a ‘witness’ and exposed their lies. “we will continue behind closed doors for this part” LOL You should watch it, better than any Hollywood court drama.
Putting aside the question of whether the leadership of those countries actually wanted to arrest him, it’s not obvious to me what they could actually do.
When an aircraft is passing through, and not actually landing, they could order it to land (which it would refuse to do, presumably), then they could resort to some posturing with fighter aircraft, then they would either have to give up or shoot down a foreign head of state.
Unless they’re willing to immediately go to war with Israel and the US, and likely a bunch of other countries, there’s really nothing they can do about it
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ValuesHypocrisy laid bare:Rules for thee, virtue signalling for me.
there’s really nothing they can do about it
Do you think Putin could go through these European airspace without being challenged?
Give us some more of that mental gymnastics, bud.
Do you think Putin could go through these European airspace without being challenged?
What are they gonna do? Shoot down the leader of the country with the largest nuclear arsenal in the world?
I wouldn’t be even surprised if they did, but Putin never tested it.
They would probably threaten to, at least. Denial of airspace, then if he went through anyway there’s zero chance they wouldn’t send fighter jets up there.
If a cop wants you to stop your car, don’t do it, you can just keep driving.
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Not give it passage through their airspace. The most basic things.
So basic that you can’t even answer how that would be achieved
It goes like this:
Plane carrying a person accused of crimes against humanity: “Air traffic control ICC this is airplane ABC-123 requesting permission to enter airspace DEF heading 123”
A country that is a signatory to the ICC and obligated to act on an international arrest warrant for persons wanted to stand trial for crimes against humanity if they enter their territory: “Permission denied, if you eneter this airspace you will be escorted to military base HIJ where you will be detained and escorted to the ICC to stand trail for crimes against humanity.”
And then they call your bluff and fly through anyway.
Then what? You shoot down the prime minister of Israel? You single handedly end NATO, make your nation a pariah, cause a rapid expansion of war in the Middle East, plunge the global market into a depression, and run the risk of causing a world war?
Yeah there’s a reason why none of these countries did anything. The ICC is a joke and always has been. It has zero actual authority and it’s only purpose has always been to maintain western dominance in the world.
That’s it.
So you think that these countries would let Putin fly through their airspace?
Absolutely. They’re not going to shoot down and kill a leader of a nuclear power. You’re absolutely insane if you think that’s the encase.
Which is why Putin flies over them whenever he likes, right?
Planes demand access to airspace before entering it. Open a search engine if you want to find out more.
Open a search engine if you want to find out more.
So arrogant
I’m well aware of that, but what do you actually expect to happen when that gets ignored? Threaten a plane carrying the leader of a nuclear power? That’ll go well.
I’d also love to see him in handcuffs but escalation is obviously unproductive when he can’t be safely arrested and planes requesting permission is only a courtesy when there are no consequences to defiance.
Do you really think Israel would nuke France if they grounded his plane?
I don’t think they’d immediately press the red button, but they clearly have a capacity to escalate and have shown in the middle east that they’re quite trigger happy
Israel would literally cease to exist if it got in a war with France. Israel isn’t going to war with fucking NATO
I’d also love to see him in handcuffs
But you’ve already decided that no country should be expected to actually arrest him
he can’t be safely arrested
What does “safely arrested” fucking mean? You’ve already declared that no country can use force against him, so he can just say “no” if any country tried to arrest him. He could literally hike through these countries and, according to you, there’s nothing they can do about it.
But you’ve already decided that no country should be expected to actually arrest him
You’ve already declared that no country can use force against him
I literally never said either of those things and don’t agree with them either. But whatever, I’m not gonna continue to argue if you’re just going to make shit up.
Enjoy your echo chamber, buddy (apt username btw)
I literally never said either of those things and don’t agree with them either.
Yes you did, repeatedly. Lying dipshit
Enjoy your echo chamber, buddy (apt username btw)
Go back to reddit you insufferable fucking loser
How do you think nations enforce their airspace normally?
You plan to not give passage with your amazing mind control skills?
Your “basic things” proposal needs to be pragmatic.
How do you think nations enforce their airspace normally?
I always assume that libs are dumb as fuck but this was just amazing. They don’t know anything holy shit.
They’ve become worse than parodies of themselves at this point. Like, Netanyahu could literally drive through these countries and these white supremacists would be arguing “How could they possibly arrest him? He could just say no!”
They should withdraw from the icc then
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It’s kind of amazing .world lets Zionists like you have an account for so long. @jordanlund@lemmy.world
24 days with 0 reported posts in any of my communities, nothing much I can do about it, but yeah, the comment that got removed here would catch a ban in World as well. I haven’t seen apologia like that since 10/7 when people were trying to say the Israelis hadn’t “really” killed that many people…
Maybe you should stop moderating fucking Nazi communities.
LOL - still running that “nonconfrontational” line I see… How’s that working out for you?
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=22645042
@jordanlund@lemmy.world will probably make him a mod lol
are we pretending that most people protesting the genocide of palestinians do not also abhor the actions of the west in iraq and afghanistan (and iran).
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50.000 casualties
Genocide denial
While it are primarily Americans fighting for the Palestinian cause.
???
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Oh so not 50k? So you were lying then.
And we both know damn well that 77k is the number of positively identified direct fatalities (not causalities, as you tried to lie) caused by Israeli munitions, it doesn’t include deaths from indirect causes resulting from the complete destruction of civil infrastructure or deaths that couldn’t be confirmed because the bodies were buried beneath bubble or couldn’t be positively identified by what remains of the Palestinian medical system after it’s systematic destruction by Israel. Meanwhile the number you’re citing for Afghanistan is total excess mortality from all secondary effects.
But again, you know that, and you’re being dishonest on purpose because you support the genocide going on in Gaza.
“Poor Impulse Control”
