- cross-posted to:
- games@sh.itjust.works
- cross-posted to:
- games@sh.itjust.works
Here’s the tweet, https://nitter.poast.org/SteamDB/status/1788981898108182681
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Is Sony saying piracy is justified by making it not possible to buy this game? I guess if I have to.
How many are pirating it in solidarity? I’d rather reject their anti-libre software entirely, make them irrelevant.
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What’s up with Lemmy and Reddit users having to justify when they pirate stuff? Most of the time I simply don’t give a shit. I do keep in mind that it’s a “wrong” thing to do though. I don’t go around thinking I’m superior and that I’m fighting the evil corporations when I don’t. Some Lemmy/Reddit users seriously seem to think that.
I’m sorry you misunderstood what I said. I was saying that Sony is encouraging piracy by making it impossible to play their games legaly in some regions, including mine.
Personally I don’t think piracy is wrong with the exception of indie devs. If you think you are fighting corporations by pirating then yea, that’s dumb but I haven’t heard that stance yet.
I absolutely agree that this will lead to more piracy, and I might pirate it myself for this reason.
Warning: the rest of the comment is just a rambling rant and nothing is directed at you specifically.
But I think it’s a terrible justification. If you want to read the worst takes on piracy go to r/piracy or the Lemmy equivalent on the db0 instance. Most users on there really think that they are in some way entitled to a game and they genuinely try and justify their piracy is a million different ways. Usually the argument is basically “company did bad thing so give me your game for free”
It’s like they would like to have some moral high ground, which I believe doesn’t exist.
I think piracy is wrong because actual people worked on the games and they need to earn a living and a fuck ton of money and resources was spent on making the games. I don’t agree that piracy is the same as stealing but somewhere along those lines. I don’t need to publicly justify piracy, I just do it when I feel like it’s appropriate considering stuff like money and wants For example I have automatic downloads of movies and TV shows and multiple terabytes of pirated movies and shows.
The only time where I could agree that piracy might be completely justified and not bad in the slightest is the piracy of stuff like knowledge like science papers that were published in a journal that demands fuck tons of money and give backs nothing to the author(s)
Well I’m a PlayStation user, are you saying it’s justifiable for me to now pirate Starfield, Halo and every Xbox and steam exclusive game?
If your only option to play a game is moving to a different country then I’d say it’s the most justifiable. If you only have a PlayStation piracy won’t really help you play PC or XBox games though so I don’t see how that would help.
Well I’m a PlayStation user, are you saying it’s justifiable for me to now pirate Starfield, Halo and every Xbox and steam exclusive game?
How, exactly, will you pirate those games to play them on your PlayStation?
You can buy Starfield on Steam does it require an Xbox account to play if you buy it in steam? I think most are saying if you can buy it in steam but still need a psn account to play it then pirate it. I have both Xbox and PlayStation but I’m with the masses on this if you offer it on a platform then you shouldn’t require an account from a different platform to be able to play the game.
I’m okay with that.
They’re not available in your country ? then yes
Non-PSN country users be like Go-Go Gadget FitGirl
Ha! I remember the devs tweeting during the Helldivers 2 fiasco barely a week ago that they WOULDN’T require a PSN account for PC. What a bunch of shameless liars.
It’s not the devs’ fault, it’s Sony.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they were told one thing three days ago, and another one now.
The developers were told 6 months before release that it needed to have psn required. Granted, thats waaaaaay too late to tell a dev that, but they could have delayed the game. Instead, they made it half arse and still told sony it was good to go.
Imho, both have gone wrong hereHow does that fix it?
No one ever suggested it did?
The difference is that Helldivers 2 was already a released game; people had paid for a product which was going to be taken away from them. After all the controversy, Sony decided not to follow through with that plan and let people keep what they already had.
This is still scummy, but with Ghost of Tsushima, no one has received anything yet. People put in an order, the order was canceled, and money refunded, so in practical terms there is no loss…other than not being able to buy the game.
It may be possible to set your account to a different region and purchase anyways, but in my opinion, piracy is absolutely justified in this case when the vendor literally refuses to make a product available to you. If there’s no legal option for obtaining it, then there’s no harm in pirating it.
Piracy is always justified.
You want my money, you need to earn it, shiti business doesn’t get rewarded.
I pirate myself but if you play the game in some way how haven’t they earned your money?
If you want to boycott do it with some backbone at least. Don’t play the fucking game and don’t talk about it whatsoever.
If they would have put up a banner in the game or a popup every log in stating …
"Sony account requirement temporarily suspended.
Please note that in a future update this will be a hard requirement and you will not be able to play Helldivers without a PSN account".
Then this would not have been an issue. The question is if their game would have gotten as big as it did. I’ll bet ‘no’.
Also how fucking lame is the playstation network that they still cannot handle proper game launches… ffs this should be a non issue by now. The servers that handle this should be setup to spin up and down clones when needed… But nooooo that costs extra money.
It would have still been an issue because the root of the problem is that there are a lot of regions where PSN is not supported and you can’t make an account even if you wanted to. The game was being sold on Steam in those regions, and so in practice it would have been like saying:
Please note that in a future update we will take away your ability to play with no recourse unless Valve is willing to refund your purchase. Take it up with them.
Absolutely. The region not being limited is a big indicator on intent. Or it’s the dev that “forgot” and got more sales.
I’m curious how many copies are sold in regions no longer supported.
To be fair, thy said the one player game campaign doesn’t need it, but multiplayer did.
That’s still the case and that’s why steam is giving refund: people are basically buying the game with part missing.
Helldivers‘ success somehow caused a crazy knee jerk reaction among the management suits at Sony. This whole sudden „make a PSN account or fuck you“ is just bizarre. To me it seems like they’ve lost more than what they‘re hoping to gain from this. Just a mindboggling move.
Definitely. They’ve gone for the stick instead of the carrot if they’re looking to juice PSN numbers, and gamers are a notoriously outspoken bunch.
How they thought this would just fly without an uproar after such a great launch is way beyond me.
I think the issue is, asking people to set up PSN was the plan all along - and they somewhat ineptly realized months after their hit game’s release that caused a problem for Steam users not in PSN countries.
Xbox and EA all require accounts for their games too, but they’ve done that forever, and are a bit more territory-neutral.
Please make sure that they also refund you the interest on the money. Although preordering games is pretty lame imo, companies should be punished for going back on preorders, better yet have to make it work no holds barred.
Sony doesn’t give a shit because non-PSN countries account for fuck all of their sales. Just pirate it and move on. Stop crying like it’s your Holy duty to give megacorps your money.
Anti-libre software bans us from removing its malicious source code. It fails to include an AGPL license file. They can never deflect this, so keep saying it.
What do you mean “they can never deflect this”?
Defending against many issues separately (DRM, P2W, loot boxes, etc) surrenders large space for them to spread a wide range of disinformation, which takes forever to debunk. One liners like above are efficient.
Debunk why? Efficient at what?
Efficient at confusing people, perhaps. Personally, I have no idea what you’re on about.
