• ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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      no use for supposedly honest people if the system itself is corrupt.

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        Anyone trying to overhaul a corrupt system would know that infiltrating it is a highly effective opposition tactic. You’re not speaking for progress, you’re speaking for contrarianism.

        Edit - besides, she’s using political donations to feed people. Corrupt systems absolutely have uses for honest individuals, because your potential allies in poverty are starving to death and she is feeding them.

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          infiltrating capitalism to ‘defeat it from the inside’ is famously ineffective.

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            This isn’t infiltrating the vague concept of capitalism, it’s infiltrating congress. She’s not trying to climb some corporate ladder here.

            What, exactly, has been more effective in the US? Capitalism still isn’t defeated, as far as I can tell.

            What the fuck do you want her to do, stop? Go home?

            If you want heroes, if you want martyrs, if you want real people with real power and real megaphones, you need to work with the tools you have available. Whatever else you’re doing hasn’t worked any better than what she’s doing. Unions are still operating under the umbrella of capitalism - they sign deals with capitalists all the time. Do you think we should stop unionizing?

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              yes. infiltrating capitalist institutions famously doesn’t work. we call those entrists.

              i don’t care for lone wolf martyrs. be them entrists or shooters or bombers alike. those can be cathartic but this is it.

              leftists organizing their own institutions is what historically works, and is a better use of talented people’s time and abilities.

              and yes, it has worked in the US to give workers better wages, and famously the right for workers to have a weekend and the 8hour-maximum workday. entrism on the other hand never did much of anything.

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                and yes, it has worked in the US to give workers better wages, and famously the right for workers to have a weekend and the 8hour-maximum workday. entrism on the other hand never did much of anything.

                … HAH. No… just, no. That’s not what centrism is, and that’s NOT the story of how we got the 8 hour workday.

                We have (or in some cases had) the 8 hour workday, OSHA, social security, legally protected unions, etc as a result of the New Deal.

                What was the New Deal?

                Well, an extremely progressive “centrist” (your words, not mine) - Frankin Delano Roosevelt - ran for President, and won. He took over the Presidency in the depths of the Great Depression, and Democrats attained majority in both chambers of congress.

                They gained complete political power largely because Republican policies had sent the United States into an economic nosedive. They also gained unprecedented political capital for progressive policies by grassroots support in response to the horrifying economic conditions all across the United States.

                Sound familiar?

                He - alongside Congress - passed a whole bunch of legislation, created a whole bunch of federal agencies, and forced through massive leaps forward in labor protections and social welfare programs.

                That’s why you have the 8 hour workday.

                Read a book.

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                  the new deal came about because of socialist pressure. thats also why it ain’t happening again, because there are barely any socialists in the us anymore.

                  grassroots support in response to the horrifying economic conditions

                  who was supporting grassroots work reform? thats right, the socialists. under the threat of violence. saying it was simply “grassroots support” whitewashes all the blood spilled to make it happen. it wasnt given by benevolent capitalists.

                  “centrist” (your words, not mine) - Frankin Delano Roosevelt

                  i literally said nothing about roosevelt or centrism in any of my responses to you. putting words in my mouth.

                  you are the one who should read a book, preferrably something not whitewashed by the CIA or something, cause holy shit.

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                    You’re absolutely right - the New Deal was possible because:

                    They also gained unprecedented political capital for progressive policies by grassroots support in response to the horrifying economic conditions all across the United States.

                    That is in fact the grassroots support I’m talking about, thanks.

                    How do you think we had a Congress and a President who were willing to listen to those grassroots movements?

                    That’s right - Americans elected a whole bunch of people like the candidate in this article.

                    The one you claimed we “have no use for.”

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      If by grassroots you mean suspiciously funded by 80% out of district and living off her rich republican parents money to do it

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        Although I agree with you, we will not get out of the hole we’re in if we don’t support people like this to overtake the ones that are legitimately hungry for power.

        On the flipside, there’s always the possibility she’s doing this as a stunt and doesn’t mean any of it. Plenty of Gen-Z pretend to feed homeless people on TikTok, could just be a glorified version of that.

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          She’s got a beach cleanup going on this weekend. From what I’ve heard, she’s been at every event she’s hosted and she’s actually out there getting dirty. I’m not in her district but it’s not far from me. I might go just to see how it all works.

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          I do genuinely hope I’m wrong, but even at a very basic level here - she’s using funds people donated to her campaign for a purpose other than campaigning,.did she make this clear to people before they donated? If it is just being done for campaign clout then it’s kinda disingenuous by definition. I do hate that I’m this cynical fwiw.

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            Yes, she’s been very upfront about it. She makes it clear at her fundraising events that the proceeds are going to charitable organizations. Her campaign has been soliciting canned goods and menstrual hygiene products, instead of cash, in exchange for yard signs and stickers.

            I get your cynicism, it’s a well-known adage that anyone who seeks power doesn’t deserve it. But for as long as we have elected federal representatives, I’d prefer to elect representatives who actually make tangible efforts to take care of people. Even if you see it as self-serving, to me it’s refreshing to see a candidate appeal to voters’ compassion instead of appealing to their fears and prejudices.

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            It’s all good, I’m in a similar cynical boat. By default I don’t trust anyone that’s in the spotlight by choice.

            However, if shitty people start doing things like this just for clout, well it’s better than the Nazis that are taking things over right now I guess that don’t even try to pretend to be a good person.

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        At least it’s a better platform than “Everything is that other groups fault, let’s hate on them and be angry!” that s eems a bit too common.