That’s obviously an exaggeration, but why don’t manufacturers of basic cars just put a fancy-looking exterior onto them? Aren’t you mainly paying for the engine and electrics and upholstery and sound system with fancy cars? Why is it (seemingly) only Lamborghini and Ferrari that look like Lamborghini and Ferrari? Is chassis manufacturing more difficult than it seems to a numbnut like me? I assume it’s just pressing sheets of metal into a mould, so I’m probably way off the mark.

It’s like when you see a computer mouse that’s named something like GamerStealth eXtreme Zero Pro, and it’s the worst piece of shit you’ve ever used but looks like it came from Area 51. Same for PC cases, actually. Alienware rigs look a million percent better than they actually are. Why is this not also the case for cars?

Full disclosure: I know nothing about cars. I just know that when I see a fancy car, and check the make, it’s BMW or something high end, and when I see a pygmy hippo lookin’ motherfucker, it’s made by one of those “buy one, get one free” type manufacturers that appeal to meth head soccer moms. And by “fancy” I don’t even mean “luxury”, just obviously high quality. Most BMWs and Rolls-Royce don’t look like spaceships, but they nevertheless look really impressive. Again, I need to stress that I know nothing about cars.

Cheers!

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    If you make a Toyota fancy, you end up with a Lexus. If you make a Honda fancy, you end up with an Acura. If you make a Volkswagen fancy, you end up with an Audi. If you make a Nissan fancy, you end up with an infinity.

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      If you make a Volkswagen fancy, you end up with an Audi

      Or a Porsche. Or a Bentley. Or a laborghini. Or a Bugatti.

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    I don’t know much about cars either, but that does happen. For example, Cadillac Escalade was/is based on a less-fancy-looking GMC SUV (Suburban?). Chevy Volt is also Cadillac ELR (different body and interior, same drivetrain), Opel Ampera (in Europe), and Buick Velite (in China, because Buick has a better brand recognition there)

    Some cheaper car models come with variety of “sport editions” and out-of-factory tint and spoilers, which would be the equivalent to the RGB computer peripherals that you mentioned, and appeal to specific customers.

    TBH I don’t know why some expensive car designs are perceived as “fancy” or “impressive”. I think they are mostly boring. And quality-wise, anything above bottom tier would have materials that last decades now.

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    Look at the 1950 American cars. They’re wild.

    One reason for the perception that cars look fancy or not is that you become accustomed to a design when you see it all the time.

    Supercars are wildly impractical, and slapping that body on a Corolla chassis would make a Corolla that only seats 2 and has no space for bags, but somehow takes up a lot more space than a Corolla. Also, downforce is bad for fuel efficiency.

    Your note at the bottom is interesting. The perceived luxury of a car is not related to the quality of the vehicle. As a car guy with a penchant for German cars, I do have to admit that while they’re wonderful in many ways, a beige Corolla or Civic will stand far more abuse.

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      In fairness, the 10th gen Civics (in Europe at least) looked absolutely badass compared to pretty much any other family hatchback when they released. They were a lot pointier and aggressive looking than their boring counterparts.

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      Supercars are quite small. They have very low roofs and are often quite wide, so your sense of scale is thrown off.

      2025 corolla: 182"L x 70"W x 56"H
      2000 corolla: 174" x 67" x 55"
      2025 camry: 194 x 72 x 57
      2000 camry: 189 x 70 x 55
      2004 murcielago: 180" x 80" x 44"
      2006 gallardo: 169 x 75 x 46
      2018 huracan: 176 x 76 x 46 2024 296 gtb: 180 x 77 x 47
      2016 chiron: 179 x 80 x 47
      1987 F40: 172 x 78 x 44
      1995 F50: 176 x 78 x 44 Even the veyron, a sweaty potato on wheels: 176 x 79 x 47

      Totally agree on the perception point. BMW looks nice because it looks like a BMW which is nice. They’ve carried a fairly consistent design language from year to year. Design overhaul in these brands are somewhat rare, but they’ll carry it across the lineup. Look at Jaguar when they phased from 80s drug lord to whatever the XF look is called. (edit: Ian Callum designs?)

      The only thing I could say specifically to OP’s observation is it sounds like they’re always picking out the brands with squared bodies and condescending headlights. Mercedes might be pushing it with their jewel eyes, but there’s still a consistent air of importance around the bodies (please don’t mention the CLA). No nonsense, no happy eyes, defined body lines, chrome blended flat into the panels, stout wheels, and sportier rooflines (please don’t mention the 5 series GT).

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        Thanks for including the 2000 Corolla. I forget how big they’ve gotten.

        Bad example on BMW; their recent design language with the beaver tooth grills is terrible

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          Like the Aztek, I bet it’ll normalize and seem less obnoxious in a few years as the cars become more commonplace and other manufacturers follow the trend.

          Yeah, it felt disingenuous as I built out my sample list when I realized my knowledge of supercars drops off around 2010. New corolla, old corolla, let the reader be the judge. Gonna go back and add some camrys.

          I suppose I could have also included weights.
          25 corolla is around 3000lbs, 2000 around 2400.
          05 Murcie is 3600 while a 2018 Huracan is 3100.
          Chiron is 4400, veyron is 4200
          F40 is 2400, F50 is 2700
          Ferr 360 is 3000, while 296 gtb 3200

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      Plus it would surprise me little if an economy motor had a hard time pushing a supercar frame and body.

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        It depends on the frame and the ideals of the manufacturer. You can make a sports car with essentially an economy motor from the same brand (Miata, MR2) or maybe a reliable engine from another (Lotus with Toyota engines), but largely it comes down to if the brand wants to spend money to do it.

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    I would argue that it is already the case that cheap cars look and perform excellently, compared with cars produced fifty years ago. They are more reliable, economical, comfortable, higher performance, superior in virtually every respect.

    The other factor to consider is the use case. Something like a Ferrari is not reliable compared to a VW Golf, it sucks at carrying passengers and cargo, terrible fuel economy, it is horrible value for money and inferior in most ways apart from one - compensating for a small penis. That is its chief purpose and it is supremely well crafted for this use case.

    Source: automotive engineer of 25 years.

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      I would argue that it is already the case that cheap cars look and perform excellently, compared with cars produced fifty years ago.

      50 years? Try 30 and even 20 could be argued.

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        I would not argue against that. Two steps forward and one back is usually how it goes with technology. Reliability is the problem that has only been achieved relatively recently. I remember a time when the hard shoulder was full of stalled vehicles. Japanese cars from the 70s and 80s were notably inferior to their competitors. We’ve come a long way in making this technology polished and affordable to the masses. Now the science shows us it is contributing to climate change and we have a new challenge. So it goes.

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    Firstly: Designing an appealing sports/luxury car is expensive and many companies hire skilled professionals from known design firms to help accomplish this. The design often comes first and much of the car is constructed to fit the aesthetic and theme. Cheaper vehicles are more utilitarian with a more “that’ll do” attitude instead of being designed with artistic intention.

    Secondly: Almost ever car maker has their own luxury brand or subsidiary. Selling cheap luxury/sports cars would undermine their own brand’s prestige and market segregation. There is a reason why dedicated luxury brands will not make budget-friendly vehicles unless legally forced to.

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    Fancy body on a cheap car.

    Add big displacement and you’ve got yourself a Dodge or some of the Fords.

    Additional trivia: The worst car I ever owned was a Ford Sierra. I absolutely hated it, but it sometimes got me from A to B. I seriously considered attacking it with an angle grinder and a welder. It already both looked and performed like shit, why not at least make it look cool? I joked about giving it an exterior looking like Mustang.

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    Lots and lots of reasons.

    I’m basing this on your comparison of normal cars to currently existing exotics.

    Predominantly: The vast majority of people don’t want an exotic car. They want to go from home to work and the store, maybe a drive for a leisure trip. They’re boring. They want to get their stuff and people in and out of the car easily and conveniently.

    Exotics do not do convenience well. There’s minimal trunk space, there’s space for only two people, often “snugly.” They require some contortions to get into and out of. Think of how out of shape many people are and see if they fit into a highly contoured, reclined, and snug race seat and can crawl in behind a scissor- or butterfly-style door with a very low roof.

    Engineering-wise exotics are expensive, both for the manufacturer and customer. Those compact, low, aerodynamic bodies on exotic cars take a lot of work to pack all the mechanicals in along with having to design a body that is crash-worthy for each new style. On top of that, they’re often mid-engine, which means a lot of specialty parts like transaxles, and wildly different handling characteristics than the average consumer is used to when you shift weight to the back of the vehicle.

    Manufacturers stick with the “boring” designs because they’re based on existing engineering that is safe, requires minimal cost to make the new iteration, aerodynamic, fuel efficient, and has proven to be sellable to consumers. Profit is king. They’re not going to take chances on crazy styles that may not sell because again, people are boring.

    I know people are going to chime in about mundane cars in production today that have some of the features I mentioned and treat them as an exception that invalidates the opinions I’ve offered, but the point is that if they were economical and profitable designs in an exotic body they would be more widespread. “You could just take “x” engine and transmission and build a “y” around it” argument.

    I would suggest maintenance is a potential cost problem, too…some exotics literally require the car be split - the entire rear of the car containing the engine and transaxle removed from the rest of the car for access because of the compact engineering and inaccessibility to some wear parts. However if Toyota made a low-buck supercar looking commuter car I’d hope the maintenance would be cheaper and easier.

    So there you have it. Cost of design, engineering, and maintenance. Boring consumers, convenience, and safety. Affordability and profit. That’s why we don’t have exotics everywhere. The market has determined that the few Halo cars we see like the Supra or C8 Corvette, or even the Mustang, is all the market will bear.

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    What’s really interesting is when people take an actual lawn mower like the Kei class Honda Beat with its 3 cylinder 7k RPM mid chassis engine and engine swap it with a 200HP motorbike engine to get one of the most insane sleeper cars of all time.

    I used to have a VW Polo that had turbo upgrade, full muffler refit, high flow cat, pod filter, tuned ecu, upgraded brakes, tires, adjustable suspension. This little thing looked like a basic nothing. Stock standard white paintjob piece of rubbish, sitting silent at the lights. Until you punched the pedal, then it’d roar like a dragon and take off like a damn rocket. It wasn’t anywhere near as good as my Golf R overall, but it was a stupidity fun little go-cart.

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    You absolutely can slap a Lambo body on anything (provided it fits) and there is a literal cottage industry that exists around doing so. It’s not popular because, let’s be honest, it’s pretty silly, and everyone involved acknowledges its pretty much just for fun and entertainment. The status symbol of “owning a Lamborghini” goes away forever the second you start the engine.

    There is a lot of psychology that goes into designing the appearance of cars. Like, an extreme amount. Car companies spend millions designing and refining body shapes and styles, and building brand images, and pushing commercials that seed these ideas into your head about their brand looking a certain way and that look therefore implying quality, they’re connecting all those dots in your head, one marketing campaign at a time, and it works because we’re honestly pretty gullible creatures at least when somebody wants to spend millions upon millions of dollars researching exactly how they can weasel their way into your brain.

    And this might surprise you, but the same “looks incredible but the worst piece of shit ever” can certainly apply to luxury vehicles. Aside from notorious reliability and repairability issues, Lamborghinis don’t usually win any races either. They won’t win a drag race, they won’t win an oval track race, they won’t win a rally race. They’re fast, certainly, but they’re not the fastest and for what you pay for a Lamborghini you could build a much, MUCH better purpose-built race car. You could probably build 10 purpose-built race cars. Hell, people build race cars out of junkyard parts that can beat Lamborghinis. They’re not the end-all-be-all of cars, nor are any of the other luxury brands. They have some nice features but they also have a lot of dumb features and yes, a lot of cut corners too. They’re designed to be desirable and profitable, not to be the best.

    So to answer your question, it absolutely IS the case for cars, in fact it’s probably even moreso the case than it is with computer parts. Unless you really need to roar down the highway towing a 10,000 pound trailer at 80 mph and still get up to that speed in 5 seconds flat, you really only need like probably 30-50 horsepower max for most of the daily driving that people do, but people’s driving habits and attitudes would have to change and they would hate the feel of gradual acceleration, so they would simply never buy such a car. I think we really underestimate how incredible even the cheapest “crappiest” cars are. We’re talking about machines cheap enough for almost everybody in our society to own, that can drive at high speeds, in perfectly dry, climate-controlled comfort, carrying many passengers and cargo, in almost any weather short of a tornado or flood, with excellent reliability for hundreds of thousands of miles, that provide constant lighting and electricity and entertainment, all while maintaining a high degree of safety for the occupants.

    If you’d rather putter around on a riding lawnmower with a Lamborghini body kit on it, you absolutely can do that, but you have to understand that once you start comparing the limited features and abilities it provides you will quickly find what you’ve constructed is the real “piece of shit” in comparison. Just don’t forget your slow-moving vehicle sign!

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      I used to have a Geo metro, 55 horse power in a very light car. If there was any headwind I couldn’t reach freeway speeds. Which is to say most people need more than 55 horse power.

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        I know we all really like “freeway speeds” just the way they are, but saying we need them is a bit of a stretch.

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          The car they’re describing is from the late 80s / 90s when “freeway speed” was just 55MPH (at least here in the United States). If car travel was forced to be any slower than that people would simply fly everywhere.

          A common trip for me back then was 630 miles one way and at 55MPH it was 11 1/2 hours. If you lowered the speed just 5MPH it would take nearly 13 hours!

          At that point I would have just gotten on a damn plane as 13 hours (likely longer with fuel stops) is simply too damned long.

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      You absolutely can slap a Lambo body on anything (provided it fits) and there is a literal cottage industry that exists around doing so. It’s not popular because, let’s be honest, it’s pretty silly, and everyone involved acknowledges its pretty much just for fun and entertainment.

      There used to be one or two pretty popular versions of this though; not an exact copy but just a sporty chassis on top of a ubiquitous and cheap model, like the Karmann-Ghia on top of the VW Beetle.

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    Some Chinese EVs copy the style of fancy cars. For example the Xiaomi EV practically ripped off a Porsche.

    Original, high quality designs require high development costs. Also a good design should consider the functionality as well, such as aerodynamics specific to the power and handling of the vehicle. Weight distribution etc.

    Edit: not an expert at all, just my guess and observations

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    I’m the opposite: I find it increasingly harder to distinguish car makers just from looking at the car (without seeing the logo of course). They all look snazzy.

    I just know that when I see a fancy car, and check the make, it’s BMW or something high end, and when I see a pygmy hippo lookin’ motherfucker, it’s made by one of those “buy one, get one free” type manufacturers that appeal to meth head soccer moms.

    First of all, car manufacturers invest A LOT of resources into evoking that specific reaction in (potential) customers.

    And I don’t like your attitude towards people who have less money than you.

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      Go to a junk yard and look around the import section. Without a front bumper, it can be very hard to tell what make a car is.

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    It’s generally conspicuous consumption, where the main point is to flaunt wealth.

    Functional aspects like how well an engine runs or a clock displays time are part of that, as poorly functioning but expensive-looking stuff is generally derided, but you also can get great-working stuff that doesn’t look flashy.

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          Ridiculously pretentious comment, and at least half of it isn’t even meaningfully true.

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            Elaborate?

            I linked hoffmeister kink because it’s a perfect example how just one single line can make the car look entirely different

            Check out my nearly 20 year old e92. You don’t need an art degree to see that the body lines of this car are literally genius and that’s why it still looks like a new car

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              Taste is subjective. I’m not a fan of how they rounded these out in this generation. I like them more when dressed up with sporty bits to add hard angles into this bloated design. But at least it’s not a Bengal 7? Still has his touch. Peak design was E39 for me. So much so, I own it’s American copycat that’s twice as reliable as an M5. But I’ll stick with the other person’s opinion: needlessly pretentious. You can describe all the lines that make it beautiful to you without being bringing such condescending tone about art degrees or classic BMW snobbery about a single car design being literally genius. You think it’s beautiful because you own it. It’s not the BMW I’d pick. But sure, yours looks better to me than whatever melted wax model they delivered in the latest design era.

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                Of course taste is subjective. I’m not saying my cheap E92 is the best looking car ever either. E92 is literally what got me into cars when I first saw a 335i back in 2007. In space grey with red seats I literally thought it looked like a spaceship.

                E39 M5 is easily one of the best looking cars of all time. I wanted an E39 540i for ages but they are a nightmare to maintain at this age with all the brittle plastic.

                What is the m5 clone you own? I can’t really think of any V8 4 door sedans from that era. When I think american m5 clone, pontiac g8 and chevy SS come to mind

                It’s not pretentious at all to say that cars are a work of art lol. That’s why so many look bad

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                  Lincoln LS. Jaguar S-type chassis under a Lincoln-badged homework-copied E39 body. Not an M5 clone, more like a 540 knockoff. It wasn’t far off when it was introduced in 2000, but it didn’t improve nearly as much as it needed to over its 7 year run to stay competitive. At all. Common sedans were getting comparable in acceleration and luxury was an American translation of a base 3 series, but at least it has a sweet double wishbone suspension front and back. There’s a dozen stylistic differences over the model years and trims you won’t see because it’s not your car and you don’t look at it every day

                  I also don’t care about the hofmeister kink. It’s here or there. I like the little kick up you can see on the LS or 2010-2014 Mustang. It existed before Hofmeister did it to a BMW and is more of a BMW bro thing to mention than an absolute success in design. Audi doesn’t usually do it, looks just as mean.