cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/42741188
James Walker, a professor emeritus of obstetrics and gynaecology at the University of Leeds, said the research had helped to “cut through the noise” regarding recent concerns regarding whether medications taken by mothers during pregnancy could affect their babies.
“The practical message is straightforward” Walker said. “Women with moderate or severe depression should not stop their antidepressants in pregnancy out of fear of causing autism or ADHD. Depression that goes untreated in pregnancy carries real risks of its own, for the mother, the pregnancy and for the developing baby, including a higher chance of premature birth, postnatal depression and difficulties bonding with the baby. For milder depression, talking therapies and other non-medication approaches are usually tried first, in line with current guidelines. As always, decisions in pregnancy are personal and should be made with a clinician who knows the woman’s history.”
I still wouldn’t recommend taking them. Antidepressants saturate the blood flow chronically, and having random neuroactive compounds going to the fetus thorough their whole development can’t be good.
Maybe not autism or ADHD but something else for sure.
A pregnant woman should listen to her doctor and not your opinion.
Untreated depression and anxiety can be more harmful to both the woman and the fetus than the side effects of antidepressants.
And oh sweet Jesus is a severe mental health episode during pregnancy an absolute bitch to manage even inpatient. You take the stress of rapidly discontinuing a long term med then throw in pregnancy hormones and shit gets completely out of hand so fucking fast.
THEN I can’t even give a gotdamn antihistamine for anxiety let alone a benzo! Keep her at home on her perfectly fine and normal Prozac! idw no peripartum anything up in my face. Give me the normal crazy I actually have meds for jfc. I’m on like five different actual hard hitters myself like the ones you ACTUALLY can’t take during pregnancy (one of the reasons I’m forgoing pregnancy entirely).
If it’s a choice between keeping them stable on an SSRI vs the risk of peripartum crisis I pick the SSRI any day. If anybody is this worried about SSRIs they need to look more into better women’s health overall so they’re less likely to need the SSRIs to begin with. Offer a better support BEFORE ripping out the currently functioning one.
Opinions should be taken into account and once given research for taking informed decisions.
Medics have a 52% successful diagnosis rate, and most of that stems from patients being unable to recognize symptoms to confer them do medics. Let alone the knowledge and skill limitations of individual professionals.
If you want to pack up a developing brain with mind-altering substancesdo it with yourself. Not even your own kid has to suffer for your poor decision making and choice of healthcare professionals.
Because your “how would I Had known” or " science wasn’t aware at the time" excuses for your victim kids will not make it my dude. Because common sense spelled it right there for you.
That’s a lot of words to say you don’t trust women.
Thats too few words for a strawman and projecting your shit on others lol
You’re not worth any more of a reply than that frankly.
Have the day you deserve ;)
as if you could provide one. Im having a great day, thanks :*
Have we even found a single link between habits/conditions of pregnancy and ADHD/autism yet? I feel like every time I hear these stories, it’s a repeat of the last study’s findings.
It’s mainly genetic imo
A substantial body of evidence links maternal infection during pregnancy to adverse neurodevelopmental outcomes in offspring. Large national registry studies have reported increased risks of neuropsychiatric disease such as autism spectrum disorder, cognitive delay, schizophrenia, and mood disorders after in utero exposure to maternal infections.
I want to see a modern study on cigerette smoking.
When I was a kid (early 90s), my mom defended her decision to not stop smoking when she was pregnant with me, by quoting a study from the 1970s. They found it did not cause any ill effects.
Well around 2005 I was poking around the internet, and found that yes, that study was reported exactly how she claimed, and was performed by the Nixon administration.
It was also funded by Marlborrow. So take that study with a salt mine worth of salt.
I want a new modern independant study done. Because my mom never stopped, and I have always felt like something is wrong with me, but I’m too dumb to put it into words. I’m not calling it autism, but it feels like there’s a mental blockade preventing me from being me. I don’t know how to explain it.
I can’t access this link but I may have been part of that study as a kid! My mother smoked almost all the way through her pregnancy with me and I went through a bunch of tests over about 10 years to see if it caused my allergies. I never got to see what the study actually said about it though.
Only if you were born between 1997 and 2006!
Fair! I was born a decade too early for this one 😅 but there was another conducted in Denver, Colorado in the 90s that I was in!
what study was that? i have a hunch that it said less than you think. by 1964 there was a surgeon general’s report and meta-analysis that showed smoking had lots of ill effects on the smoker including “low birth weight” and the 1979 report and meta-analysis found “The more the mother smokes, the greater the baby’s birth-weight reduction”
check out https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK44697/table/ch5.t1
Cigarettes, alcohol, street drugs. Most other things are benign.
There’s general risk with some foods as well, like raw seafood/meat, seafood high in mercury, and unpasteurized dairy.
It’s pretty obvious that there’s a hereditary component to ADHD/autism. But it’s one of those things that needs further study to prove and since it’s difficult to test these medications on pregnant women, it takes longer.
This one is a meta study based on other studies, so I guess that’s to be expected.
Everything is a fucking meta study today, and IMO they are too often shit, because they generally try to account for variables that the original studies weren’t made for.
Ah well, it’s probably going to get worse, because now we will be overwhelmed by meta studies that are made by AI.meta studies are the highest standard of evidence. when peer-reviewed, looking at old evidence in new lights is precisely what they’re supposed to do, and there’s no problem with that unless there’s a response/refutal along those lines.
i haven’t seen them be at a higher frequency than usual either; in fact the latest data i could find shows it’s slowed down since 2019: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11795965/figure/cesm70010-fig-0002/ (note that the data cutoff is May 2024)
because now we will be overwhelmed by meta studies that are made by AI.
Have we even found a single major-journal systematic review that was made by AI yet?
Do you even know what a meta study is? It is not just “this amount of research says this and this amount of research says that”, the actually important and actual work that goes into a meta study is to point out weaknesses of the examined base studies to weigh their informative value on the meta study’s topic.
It’s sad that you feel so strongly about it but won’t take the time to learn how these things work.
Yes - I’ve heard that women with autism are more likely to experience pains in pregnancy and thus choose to use painkiller (e.g Tylenol or another brand of paracetamol). Autism being sometimes inherited, there is then a correlation if you study it.
This sounded weird to me, but I also have heard women who give birth at a later age are more likely to have a child with autism. Maybe older pregnant women will have more pain during pregnancy? In which case there should be a correlation between painkillers usage while pregnant, and autism rates in offspring.
People with autism also tend to be more sensitive to physical stimulus of any sort and so may more acutely experience bodily sensations.
There is a correlation, which is why the Trump administration was pushing the dangerous idea that pregnant women should not use acetaminophen because it will give their children autism. It’s not a causation though.
Pregnant women are limited to only acetaminophen for reducing fevers and treating pain.
It’s not a causation though
Yep, that’s precisely what i was trying to say.
Pregnant women are limited to only acetaminophen for reducing fevers and treating pain.
Oh okay, that’s weird because i thought the whole debate was about one specific painkiller that i remembered began with T.
I was agreeing with you :)
Tylenol is the brand name in the US for acetaminophen. It’s the same as paracetamol. It’s the only fever reducer and pain reliever pregnant women can take.
Duh! Everyone knows it’s the vaccines that do that.
Wait, or is it 5G? I get my conspiracies mixed up sometimes…
