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lost? we wernt even making headways from the start. lost hte moment BIBI pressured trump to attack iran. plus its one of the big things that is distraction for the news, now the war is having less effect on the news, people are focusing on the epstein files again, so hes coming up with other schemes.
Good, the sooner this nonsense is ended the better. Good that Iran is getting money to rebuild. If only all the oligarchic and corpo backers were charged for the rebuild not broke US tax payers.
I swear half of the neo liberal talking points right now are trying to talking like trump pulling out is a bad thing. The whole war is bad and it would still be bad if we won in my opinion it would be worse if we won. I’d rather the US be a bit poorer than win and destroy another country.
Naturally.
there were no clear objectives to begin with. Not even unclear political objectives. It was a war of choice for the sole purpose of distracting the world, and especially US citizens, of all the fucked up shit he was doing. Like Immigration and covering up the Epstein files.
And guess what. It worked.
now people are talking about gas prices and grocery prices and the war and not about epstein or his concentration camps.
I think it wasn’t just distraction from the Epstein files. It was also a way to manipulate the stock market. I.e. buy stocks, start a war that will raise those stocks as a side effect, then sell them. I just have no way to prove it
The people who would be upset about ICE or corruption or Epstein are already upset about it. Everyone else is a collaborator or a bystander that’s varying levels of contemptible. Nobody is really going to be swayed by “distractions.”
What I dislike most about this narrative is the idea that if we stayed locked in on Epstein or what have you, it would all be over.
Talking about problems doesn’t inherently fix them.
If 7 hours of 4k footage of Donald Trump raping children were aired on every major news network, what would the American people do differently from what they’re doing now? The correct answer for the vast, vast majority I think is “fuckall.” Anyone who’s paying attention can reasonably determine that Trump is a vicious sexual predator and client of trafficked women and children, but the only question that matters is “what is anyone going to do about it?”
He was acting under orders from Netanyahu
Israel stole even more of Palestine, as well as significant amounts of Lebanon
They’ll keep stealing more while the rest of the world looks uncomfortably at their shoes for fear of being labelled antisemites
Yeah I haven’t bought this argument since day one of the whole thing. Trump didn’t go to war to distract from Epstein or ICE, at least not as directly as you make it.
Pre-war polling saw that Trump’s popularity was pretty much unchanged with likely R voters even through last summer, the December vote, and Bondi’s firing. He’s made it very clear he doesn’t feel like he needs to win over new supporters, either, and with both houses still R at least through November, there wasn’t much reason for him to care about Epstein. It was already out of the news and voters were buying the Bondi-scapegoat story.
The idea that Trump was actually super upset that people were mad about ICE and wanted a distraction is just funny. The show of force, shock, confusion, and coverage was the point, Stephen Miller said as much from day 1, and to reiterate: Trump wasn’t losing any R votes over these policies.
Right wing media had both of these under control with a good spin on them. There was literally no reason to do something so obviously doomed and tank the one thing every American (apparently) cares about, gas prices, to distract from either of these stories that were already on their way out.
Trump started a war with Iran because 1) it’s the thing Israel has been begging anyone to back them up on for fifty years and 2) he felt bullet proof (militarily and petrologically) after Venezuela.
/rant. I had a much better version of this typed up and then refreshed the page and lost it all :-)
i think some of it was to gauge how far the R is willing to still support him, and to distract. the MSM were reporting anything and everything from trump, including his gaffes thats why.
And don’t forget, crippling middle east oil exports made a lot of US oil companies a LOT of money.
Not sure we have moved on from the Epstein files and Trumps involvement in them. I remember seeing lots of talk about the Epstein files all throughout the epic failure of a war.
I won’t move on till the victims get their justice. Not even trumps death is gonna change that. It’s not just about one very implicated orange fascist.
recently trump is hastily installing right wing federal judges, who were laywers that was defending him in the epstein lawsuits. he definitely to quash this sooner rather than later.
It was never America’s war.
More obviously than about any war in modern memory, this was a war of the oligarchs - of Trump and Netanyahu and the Republicans and the Zionists - of Palantir and AIPAC and Raytheon and OpenAI.
The American people fought it and will end up paying for it, but it was never their war.
Cope. It is the USA’s war
More obviously than about any war in modern memory
Ooph that’s a tough call. More obvious than Iraq 2? “WMDs!!” was even more of a joke in iraq than it currently is in iran, which is saying something.
They literally flew in military transports full of cash which remain unaccounted for, spent by the VP’s company and a mercenary oligarch whose cruelty and graft were so well known he then had to change the name of his company twice.
And that’s not even getting into the insanely illegal corruption that was the coalition provisional authority.
Right, but they also went out of their way to drum up as much public support as they could first. Granted that it was all lies and greed and corruption, at least they went through the motions of trying to make it a war the people supported.
Trump didn’t even bother to do that much.
Even though it’s just two variations on awful, there is a difference between pretending that the people matter and not even bothering to do that.
“The best summary of Trump’s trade “philosophy” comes from Trashfuture’s November Kelly, who said that Trump is flipping over the table in a poker game that’s rigged in his favor because he resents having to pretend to play the game at all.”
It’s not over, and the Straight of Malacca is next
The strait of Malacca isn’t an exclusive choke point like the strait of Hormuz or the Dardanelles. Ships can take other routes avoiding belligerent countries in the area. Even the Suez/bab al-mandab isn’t an exclusive choke point, because you can still just go all the way around Africa, it’s just a pain in the ass.
The Straits of Denmark, Hormuz, and Dardanelles are uniquely strategic choke points because the are the only seaward access points to their respective seas, Baltic, Persian and Black, which are controllable by one country and which other countries rely on.
suez being blocked would likely have the same effect, drastically increasing cost of shipping, fuel, oil. because now you are spending more fuel, maintenance just to go around africa alone, not to mention the goods being transported.
And it’s not just the cost of shipping itself that goes up. The ships that have to take a longer route are now unavailable to carry other goods, which means there is a sudden drop in shipping capacity.
Now, if we could block the Suez AND mine the strait of Gibraltar, now that’s a spicy global economic stew!
A lot of ships pass through the strait of Malacca, but if it closed the alternative isn’t very further away.
We don’t have nuclear weapon and we’re slowing running out of oil, so very unlikely.
Obviously, but maybe shut the fuck up about it on the however slim chance that the US is able to walk away from it. Similar vibes to seeing the TACO memes/statements thrown about when trump, for whatever reasons, decides not to do the abhorrent thing of the day. Is the goal to make sure he always picks the bad option?
Start lots of wars and fail fast ethos
