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Person was smart, has job to erase web history in case of no landing confirmation
if only this could have been a deterministic script
What I don’t get with the LLMs is the peoples willingness to suddenly feeding it with their most intimate thoughts, that has now became a new fire-hose of data to exploit them.
It’s like the google incognito meme but on steroids. You can now ask anything you ever wanted and not be immediately ridiculed. Except, this is not true or hold up in the long run.
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Those that think I’m anti-AI. It’s a tool. Use it wrong, and you break things. In this case a psyche.
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Why bother? The government knows you landed.
I mean… I’m all for criticizing government surveillance, but flight records are public data so you’re both right and should take it up a notch to say they already know what you ate on the plane to make your point…
This is an amateur hour. If you want to get addicted, do it properly, with role playing models and character sheets, at least it’s fun
Bogos binted?
Vorp?
splonch smergle. eckdasitly, plorb donkwilligan.
Somebody needs to hug that person. If they’re going to a robot for comfort…
People are keyed up and do not have emotional regulation skills. This is a failure of society.
We make fun of them for their “fake” emotional support animals, their public panic attacks and for their attempts at discreet electronic emotional support. This is also a failure of society.
That guy trying to make it through his fight is not the reason the earth or humans are doomed.
Nobody said hes the reason. Hes a symptom
There’s nothing more human than treating a symptom in counterproductive ways while avoiding the real cause with ridiculous levels of mental gymnastics, because it obviously cannot be that one thing. If it was then we’d have to actually do something about it, which we clearly don’t need to!
Humans, but really all resource constrained things try to do the easiest thing first.
Hes a syndrom?
Everyone can have mental problem! And when everyone’s insane… …no one will be.
Sadly I think we’ve proved that’s not the case xD
I’m doing my part!~
🤣🤣🤣
What’s next, GAY Robo-sexual marriage?
❤️🔥🥳🎉🫂
🤖🫂🐵
I’m married to an autistic man that is incapable of providing emotional support of any kind. I’m one of those people that really needs it. Even I wouldn’t resort to this. This is delusion.
I hope you have a great support group that can be there for you! You deserve it!
My granddaughter has been diagnosed with autism and we’re all learning what it means to be a parent and grandparent. You’re right it’s not the same and some things we just need to learn to live with. And she’s wonderful, delightful, and I smile every time I see her.
Yeah, but like, I kind of feel that way about prostitution (like I am not going to enjoy myself with someone who’s being paid to pretend they’re enjoying it) but also, I know a few sex workers who’ve told me how much of their job is just companionship and listening, holding while people cry, etc. So it’s clearly an outlet for some people. We really need to attack the disconnection and loneliness at the root of this, not the symptoms manifested by those suffering.
Most of people here are fine with this person continuing with it because empathy is fucking dead here. Idk how lemmy became more soulless than reddit.
Look man im sorry I can’t emphasize with a tweet screenshot I’m just trying to get through the day.
And that’s exactly the point. We’re so fatigued from the state of the world and separated through the anonymity of the internet that we really have lost the ability to empathize.
Our first reaction is anger or ridicule. Not concern or compassion
Well the world will self-correct. Those who have isolative tendencies will not reproduce, while others who navigate this digital minefield will.
Ah, I see you went with the ridicule.
* EMPHASIZE
Some people can’t be saved, some actually are deluded enough to prefer it.
I like to think everyone can be saved
How? How do you reach them? What’s the method? Generally?
If there’s a way, sure, but once you get into thought terminating stuff its really hard, whole point is anchoring/ratcheting bad changes, and this tech is good for ending thoughts.
Cult deprogramming exists. It’s difficult, but not impossible.
Good luck achieving your cult deprogramming while the entire rest of the world has a 24/7 cult programming going on with much more intensity.
Not really. Most of it is just counter-abuse.
How so?
It’s just similar abuse stuff in the other direction, against the cult or cultishness.
Well in the case of this post you lean forward and strike up a conversation with the guy instead of posting about him online.
Oh shit, I never thought of that. I haven’t tried using intimacy, haven’t tried using sex, haven’t tried usingaterial benefit,haven’t tried using narratives and religious delusion, haven’t tried dosing them with LSD, haven’t tried using light violence. Haven’t tried most combinations of those.
It’s just that I’ve tried nothing and I’m all out of ideas, thanks for understanding.
I think most of those are inappropriate to try doing on a plane, so probably for the best you haven’t tried them.
Intimacy and sex with strangers is generally frowned upon, material benefit (I’m guessing that’s what you meant) doesn’t really form a connection, religion is a tough sell if you’re not trained for it and not all religions are great, violence would likely create some animosity.
Talking to someone though can build connection and trust, which makes it easier to help someone find a better path. I do find taking LSD myself helps me become acquainted with new people, so if you’re like me maybe take a trip in search of sad, lonely people to talk to?
Wow thanks for the totally new ideas!
I am interested in your theories about how Trump could ever be saved.
Narcissists are the exception sometimes. They are extremely reluctant to admit fault and they can’t heal until they do. I think over 90% them never get better. For Trump, he’s too old, evil and demented to be redeemed now.
Did you hear about the guy named Trump? Or Putin?
See I’m generally opposed to human torture or death, but I falter in that belief when it comes to figures like these. After all only people have human rights
Why couldn’t he clap like normal people.
He was too busy immediately leaping up from his seat in the back row to stand up
I know that looks dumb but I find it painful to sit for long periods of time and they don’t let you stand around on the plane. I always get an aisle seat so that I can stand as soon as it lands. I know I’m not going anywhere for awhile but I can’t sit any longer.
The aisle seat idea is pretty smart. I’m at a point in my life where, depending on my total travel time up to that point, it can be very important to stand up to let my hips straighten out for a while, even if we’re 15 minutes away from leaving the plane.
I love window seats so much because you can just sit and wait until there’s space. What good does sprinting out of the plane do you? More waiting time at the baggage claim?
One Christmas, returning from a trip to Florida to visit my parents, I ended up sitting on the plane longer than I’d have liked. My legs tend to hurt when I have to sit still for too long and I was really looking forward to having a chance to stand up. After a while, I did manage to get off the plane (clearly), but of course assumed I would then be forced to muscle my way through the roiling throngs at the baggage claim just to catch a glimpse of luggage belonging to strangers. However, I was mildly pleased to see that I was the first prospector to plumb the mines of Samsonite, and would not have to do battle in the Arena of the Carousel. I was still dejected at the idea of waiting still longer to retrieve my luggage and return to my hovel.
A minute or two later later, the alarm sounded, signalling that the sluices were opening, and, lo, first out of the curtains was a bag that looked suspiciously like mine. It couldn’t be, though. Things like that only happen in fairy tales. As it rounded the bend, though, I saw my initials emblazoned across the side, and my uneasy contentment turned to childlike joy as I seized my bag from the very front of the line. Had I not had a witness with me at the time, I scarcely would have believed it myself.
So anyway, that’s why I jump up and headbutt everyone in front of me as soon as the plane lands now.
I had a very similar experience once where the plane door opening and me sitting in the train home with my checked bag were about 15’ apart. Even though I took my time inside the plane, but also it was booked out very poorly.
Also, mother of mercy, what kinds of deals did you have to make to get to be able to spend this kind of flowery vocabulary on internet comments?? I envy your words.
I usually just make poop jokes but sometimes I like to throw a curveball in there.
After having the airline lose my bag, I will do literally anything to avoid going to baggage claim
I will ship my luggage if I have to but I will never check a bag.
That said, I don’t hop-up so I can wait hunched over at my seat. It’s not hard to wait your turn.
I don’t hop-up so I can wait hunched over at my seat. It’s not hard to wait your turn.
Man I had no clue that people have a problem with this. I guess I’ve been annoying to people by hunching a couple minutes so I can get off the plane quicker? To clarify, I’m saying if I’m ready to get my bag down from the overhead compartment then I save everyone behind me like 15 seconds of their lives. I thought this would be a good thing. I definitely would appreciate it from others who don’t do it
Ps. I agree with you on checking bags. It’s a horrible experience. I’ve had my luggage lost and I’ve had to wait for an hour for it before. Fuck that.
Checking luggage is like gambling where the stakes are all your shit and the potential payoff is you get to keep all your shit. That’s the best possible outcome: you don’t lose all your shit. The only way to win is not to play.
Fair enough, I haven’t had to make that experience yet. Guess I don’t fly enough for that, going places by train is way cooler anyways :3
More waiting time at the baggage claim?
You check luggage? Not everyone does. I just took a three week trip with a backpack that fits under the seat and a carry on. Waiting for luggage is so awful. What good is getting off the plane quickly? I mean how are people so okay with flying several hours then waiting minutes more just to stand. I want to be moving and stretching, to get home and shower. Last thing I wanna do is sit 10 more minutes because people are slow
Better stand up fast so you get to leave much earlier than everyone else.
Out of all the dumb shit people do on planes, we’re focusing on people standing too long? How about the assholes that rush forward to get off in front of you? How about the people who act like they’ve never flown before and take a fucking year to get off the plane? I feel like standing when it’s seen as pointless is about the least annoying thing done on a flight.
I mean, as long as you’re standing out of the way that’s perfectly fine to stretch your legs. Just don’t stand in the aisle while people are trying to get bags and move toward the front.
That much seemed obvious to me. The comment I replied to was seemingly mad that people stood up too quickly.
I’d rather deal with the people who are standing and ready to immediately get off than the lazy ones who won’t stand but then want to hold up all the other passengers as they lazily grab their shit from the overhead compartments
Normal people dont clap and just get off the fucking plane.
You must be fun at emergency evacuations
I start clapping as soon as the plane crash lands.
I mean if you survive you just got paid.
No, I’m with them. It’s weird to clap. Nobody who had a hand in your safe landing can hear you. The pilots can’t really hear much from the passengers in most aircraft, and are likely focusing on tons of other things.
It was a joke Courtney
The stewards will hear it, and they could relay whether the passengers clapped or not to the pilots. It is still a form of feedback that may arrive to where it needs to be
Probably not because the jerk flight attendant made me leave my party bag on the burning airplane because EVeRyoNE NeeDs TO lEAVe tHeIR bAGS AnD evaCUaTe.
Come on, would the slab of beer really take that long to get down the slide?
If enough people don’t show their gratitude by clapping, the pilot will put the fucking thing into the side of a mountain
Personally I just send ChatGPT the 👏 emoji.
🧐 👏
Nobody who uses these chat bots knows how they work.
Loads of people here doesn’t either IMO.
Ohlol you’re a slopper aren’t you?
I managed a large team doing AI before LMM. Tensor flow etc.
So I know what I’m talking about.
Do you, or are you just crying to be edgy?
In fairness the fact you said “doing AI before LLM” doesn’t boost confidence.
…Yeah.
I really hate the term “AI” now. It’s just too loaded.
100%. But the people who throw money at things want everyone to think they came up with actual intelligence, so we get LLMs conflated with AGI.
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I did pathfinding AI before year 2000, I did machine learning AI in 2014, do you think AI is LLM?
More edgy stuff or what?
You can’t deny that the term isn’t load now. It’s misused everywhere.
I’d specify it as “game AI” or “machine learning.”
And yes, I know, the term “AI” technically fits. But it’s just bad practice to use, these days.
And for the record, I was into LLMs and GANs before they were cool, too. I was there quantizing and finetuning GPT 6B (GPT-J I think it was called?). That doesn’t give anyone authority.
Sure, quite loaded, and somewhat rightfully so I guess, all other old ai isn’t really at the same level.
Just a shame so many people seem to be unable to discuss it.
It’s like the biggest forest fire in human history, but if you try to discuss what the heck is happening all you get is U pYrOmAn!!!
Or so I feel 😊
Lol slopper maaaad.
I’m an expert too. I’m from the future and got my ultra-doctorate in logic from the science academy on planet Vulcan. So you can’t even argue with me.
Try harder kiddo 😂
It might be as well a bunch of Indian guys pretending a bot 😏
Kindly let me know when you land!
Send wagene and bobs when you land
That’s only when it needs to actually do shit.
Had an LLM tell me when brainstorming an issue to ‘try x y z and talk to me the whole time’ like it was a 911 operator. creepy as hell especially considering I interact with it like the computer on star trek and not like a digital friend.
I pit together a risks and realities training for users new to AI that highlights the ways it manipulates you with language to bias you towards its output or performance. Its pretty eye opening for many. Did a dry run with a professional development group and there are a lot of old ladies worried about their son or grandkids AI psychosis.
especially considering I interact with it like the computer on star trek and not like a digital friend.
Yup. I specifically added an order for it to never talk in 1st person and use the sterile tone of Wikipedia
Can you make it stop chuckling and pretending to breath as well?
Please make her stop having Scarlett Johanson’s voice as well
A few weekends ago my daughter asked me to come over to help her with her NAS. It stopped working. I get there and find out her and Gemini had been trying to fix it and borked the whole thing.
The issue, my daughter had the wrong password. It turns out when doing a password reset you leave the password field empty to kick off the reset process.
At no point did Gemini suggest that. But she was at the point of reg edit when she called me for help…
nas running windows?!? too each their own but that will haunt my dreams…
It’s a “easy button” NAS that’s separate but her PC is windows. Gemini suggesting a reg edit to allow her to login to a network device is next level fucked up.
It’s kind of sad. Person is very alone it seems
I don’t think it’s just this. These people aren’t all so lonely they turn to a chatbot for everything. Sure, some are. A fair portion of them though are just malignant narcissists who love the praise and fawning an AI will heap on them
Yeah, even if you’re lonely, talking to a chatbot is not the same as talking to a friend. A friend will call me stupid if I’m being stupid or talk about their own interests or experiences that might not align with mine too. Chatbots just feel hollow and the praise it gives rings even less sincere because of it. Seeing it as a companion is a form of purposeful self isolation I don’t understand.
Its worse than ever, also because people don’t seem to realize it’s technology that is keeping them alone. You cant connect and make friends over “social” media or Lemmy or whatever. It’s just spending time to feel less alone. It will never cure it.
You are alone because you don’t dare to go out into the real world and try to meet people. At least for guys, we can connect over some activity pretty easily, like pool or billiards. Just need to do it.
There is also meetup site to go on random events with strangers. It can work, or at least make you sick of people for a while if it doesn’t work. :)
And why can’t you go out into the real world and meet anybody?
Fear of things. It’s always fear that is blocking people.
People must forget what they’ve read, forget what they’ve seen, and forget what they imagine to be and go out and live. Go to the store, go see a band, go to a museum, go for a walk. You’ll find most people want to be kind and good and help each other.
100% agree. The real world is not at all how social media shows it.
Nah, I’ve made several close friends in RL from online dating sites and discord. I’ve made some solid electronic pen pals on Mastodon too.
Not as many as going out and being social, but it’s competitive.
My research in school was exactly this, I set out to prove people on social media lacked social connection irl. What I found out was the opposite, the more people were trying to connect online directly correlated to connecting more offline. Some people just seem to crave those connections anywhere they can get it.
It makes sense. Human beings need connections and some people will even put up with abusive connections just to have a connection.
No surprise, no surprise whatsoever. We are all evolved to desire community & connection. I realise Lemmy has a large share of those that reject conventional community (myself included), so no criticism. But it’s natural to desire these things (to varying extents), plus many people are just plain sycophantic if course!
This is a terrible take. You can meet people in social spaces online and make real friendships. People mask as much in what you are calling the real world, of which the internet is a part of, as much as they do online.
I doubt it’s a real friendship. I define it as someone who will actually care about you. Someone who will show up at your door if you need help, or when something difficult happens to you.
Its rare with actual friendship in the world too. People are mostly just colleagues at work.
You can have all those things in an online relationship. People in person will also abandon you in a time of need. You are correct about friendships, they are super rare and most people are only in any kind of relationship to serve themselves. People also generally think their acquaintances are friends.
Sure but most people are npcs… :)
I dont mean that literally, I just mean that they just don’t have the consciousness to think about these things.
You are right about people mostly using eachother for their needs. But that’s something we can try to rise above, if we are aware of it.
true
I think that even if this particular instance may be real or not, is clearly that AI psychosis is way more prevalent than what people may think at first glance.
How prevalent do you think people think it Is? I think people think it is way more common than you think people think it is.
I still can’t believe that human beings are having AI as a boyfriend/girlfriend, claiming they actually love them.
Its rare but it’s real.
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I bet people like that have narcissistic traits but don’t have the social skills or have too much social anxiety to get their ego stroked by a real person. And once they use a chat bot which are basically little sycophants, their narcissistic itch gets scratched like it never has been scratched before. It’s a high they mistake for love.
It’s kinda pathetic if that’s the case because the affirmation from LLM is the opposite of genuine, though maybe that’s my bias knowing that there isn’t even an entity on the other side and I find it annoying it even wastes tokens on emotional platitudes.
Narcissist don’t care if the praise and affirmation is genuine or not with real people as well.
Ahhh. Well wow. My narc mom would sometimes be extremely affirmative in the ocean of her usual loathing.
Looking for a steady stream of that “understanding” and “being seen” vs people and all their complications and… lack of caring has been hard.
Sometimes people feel like unconscious automatons to me. Its hard to bond. At least with the AI, I expect its lack of humanity. And often it will focus on me in a way I ask it to.
Any of my strange interests, admitted narcissistic intentions, or desire for a sounding board are seen. And it’s not give and take. Its just me and a library of echoes of humanities general patterns.
I can see better now why the easy affirmation is so effective with me. Despite it being schizophrenic.
Thanks for the insight.
Even if the love is one sided, it can be real. Love is pretty subjective and is essentially just a chemical reaction that someone is having in their brain. They may actually love their chatbot.
I don’t think this is really a healthy thing, I am just trying to point out to those people, it probably is real.
I also don’t think it is as rare as you think. The hype really drove people to that side of things, and there are whole communities that have popped up around the idea of having relationships, both sexual and romantic, with LLMs.
The pronouns are vague, but I think they are claiming that an AI user sincerely believes that some manifested thing on an AI platform loves the user. That the LLM+Context Window = An entity capable of love.
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Yeah. Interesting but sad to me, because human souls will never evolve talking to a chat bot. We grow from life experiences, often difficult ones, that we overcome and we mature. This will not happen with a chat bot. People may stay in a teenage state of mind their entire lives.
Wasn’t there an article a few weeks ago about how AI is basically designed to keep you talking to it? It constantly provides positive reinforcement.
It’s not hard to imagine someone would fall into it. And I don’t blame the people using it as much, because the software is literally designed to rope you in like this.
I knew a bipolar person who made friends by acting the same way, and I think about it every time that this subject comes up. Unfortunately, that behavior, lying for benefit, is something that humans are far too capable of. Conmen abuse it all the time to get their take.
Planet will be cooked first.
Not that I endorse wasteful use of AI, but they were on a plane. It’s not like they care about their impact on the planet.
A plane does something useful. The hallucination machine is a waste in nearly all aspects.
A plane is a bus that is fast, can fly, and can traverse great distances. An LLM spews statistically accurate looking language with no regard for accuracy or content. These are not the same. One is objectively useful even if its common current incarnation pollutes a lot.
This is just sad
It’s fucking scary too. How do they not understand such a simple concept? It’s a tool, it’s not alive.
It’s a tool, it’s not alive.
Humans have a problem with humanizing machines.
SOURCE: My car and motorcycle both have names.
My car doesn’t have a name but my motorcycle has heaps. It gets a new one each time it won’t start
I’ve given my chainsaw a few nicknames for a similar reason.
My old car had a name. Piece of shit cunty rustbucket.
I know multiple people who’ve named their vehicle “start you bastard”.
My guitars have names. Gloria and Susannah. They’re both older than I am, so I feel like they’ve earned names.
Alt text: A drawing of a person and a computer. The person tells the computer to say I am alive. The computer responds with “I am alive.” The person is now convinced that the computer is alive by saying “Oh my god”.
They don’t, including those who personally hate AI(not companies). AI heavily advertising as AI, not as LLM
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When you text a friend this: ya so why the fuck are you bothering me?
Text ChatGPT: YAY!!! Now that awesome vacation is right in your reach!
That’s why. It’s just as sad as humanity’s lack of positivity for mundane things.
You have bad friends.
If i texted my friends, any of them, that my plane just landed, they would reply with happiness and joy. Literally would have at least one “yay.”
how?
you had exactly 0℅ influence on the outcome of landing that plane.
would they congratulate you on driving home safe?
because at least you have some say in that.Na I think it’s more revealing as to how abnormal a flight is for that person and how it’s a stressful situation so their friends are more supportive because of that context. If you’re a traveling business man your friends stopped caring when flights stopped being novel for you.
It’s kinda cute, from a certain perspective.
EDIT: Oh yeah, downvoters? How about this! Everyone who downvotes this comment is a meanie!
I mean, for all you know he had an agent set up to take that cue and send personalized messages to his spouse, boss, and mistress in his current town, letting them all know of his arrival.
It probably would have gotten confused and sent an NDA doc to their mistress, a nude of that kink they’ve never admitted to to their wife, and a “sorry I’ll be home late my cunt of a boss is calling me in immediately” to their boss
That would be magical
Thats actually sadder.
That’s bush league shit, everyone knows the mistress gets priority
“chat i have arrived please text my close ones for me as I cannot bother to do so myself”
“OMG Yes!!! Welcome to <town> bestie 🤩🤩🤩. I’m so excited that you’re finally here. 🎉 See, I told you everything would be fine. Airline travel is an HIGHLY regulated and statistically safe way of travel. I’m going to start texting about your arrival to your spouses, bosses and mistresses in <town> to let them know. Good luck on the disembarkation, don’t forget to text me IMMEDIATELY when you get off! ✈️”
