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    Batman was born rich. It’s the billionaire class that want you to think they are creating wealth and not stealing it.

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    batman has no powers whatsoever. he just a very rich person, much like start, who bought/develop tech. not really thrust as more of an accident, much like brunce banner.

    closest thing would be apocalypse the super-mutant, he was forced upon to gain celestial enhanced powers. i think juggernaut is another one, as is lady deathstrike?

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      Batman and Stark both have significant physics bending powers. It’s more obvious with Stark, but both of them have made plenty of things that have bend the laws of physics pretty drastically.

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    Spider-Man is half’n’half. He got super strength and agility as well as his “spider senses” from the spider bite.

    His webshooters, suits, and other tools he made himself. The Raimi films always bugged me that they made his web shooting stuff a mutation from the bite and not showing off his intelligence and engineering skills. Cuz he also didn’t have money like Batman or Ironman.

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      The biological webbing coming from his wrists was stupid. If it was a spider mutation, he should have had spinnerettes growing from his rear end. The handmade web shooters were way more logical.

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        Until a writer noticed that the web shooters mean Peter is a once-in-a-century chemist and should be swimming in cash from selling a few things he cobbled together in his apartment. Now, Peter Parker runs a mega-corp. Part of the reason that Miles Morales was introduced is specifically because Peter was no longer an everyman protagonist.

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      In the original story Batman has “bat senses” that allow him to hear the conversations of criminals, a bit like The Shadow. It used to be believed by some that bats could sense in the “ether”, sn invisible river in which electromagnetic energy flowed, this was before echo location was proven.

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    I’m pretty sure Superman wasn’t born with them. He got his powers from his flyby of earth’s yellow sun in the escape pod from Krypton.

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      I think it was from Kill Bill, but thrtrs a cool speech about how Superman has to put on the costume to become Clark Kent. While other hero’s have to put on the costume to become the hero.

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      Seems a bit daft of the Kryptonian folk to stay there even if they didn’t believe their planet was doomed.

      “Move to another planet to be a nearly indestructible God who can fly and shoot lasers and stuff? No thank you. I just got my cabinets arranged how I like them and I am not going through that again.”

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      I thought he had powers because he was born on Krypton under a red sun, and all Kryptonians gain superhuman powers when exposed to a yellow sun.

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        But if he had stayed on Krypton, he wouldn’t have any powers, so it took an event to activate it, which isn’t any different than the other scenarios. Batman was born rich, so he already had the potential to be batman, but it took the murder of his parents to set him on his path. Really Spiderman is the odd one out.

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          Spidey’s parents and his uncle who helped raise him are all dead/murdered. All three are orphans, so that all cancels out. :-).

          Peter Parker only became spider-man once his uncle was killed, that set him on the path to use his “great power” with “great responsibility.”

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            Spider-man literally started as a pro wrestler who used his powers and a costume to make money

            He was costumed and super-powered first, but heroic only after his uncle was killed. (By a thief whom Spidey let get away, since the victim was the wrestling promoter who cheated him out of his first earnings.)

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    Batman created his powers

    If I remember well, Batman does not have superpowers. He’s a guy who’s rich, trains a lot, is smart and due to being rich is able to get great equipment to use.

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      due to being rich is able to get great equipment to use.

      That’s the power: gadgets. And also being a genius detective, but largely the gadgets.

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      One could argue that his genius level intellect and his master detective skills (best detective in the world) are borderline superhuman.

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            Exactly. We see plenty of Bruce’s physical training. But how often is he depicted designing, implementing, debugging, or maintaining any of the software that is guaranteed to be necessary for the majority of the seemingly endless well-beyond-cutting-edge technology underpinning most of his practical abilities and every one of the impressive number of deus ex machinas in the franchise?

            OK, so the only logical conclusion is that he (or Fox as proxy) outsourced most or all of it, requiring obscene wealth. Batman fans may not like it, but money is unequivocally the key super power of the troubled Wayne heir, not his genius or inventiveness. Without the money, Bruce becomes a washed-up chess boxing enthusiast at best, or a cop at worst, but definitely not Batman.

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        A long time ago, I read that his superpower was, or was theorized to be, luck. No idea if that’s canon anywhere.

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          I’ve always theorized that his power is “superhuman willpower.”
          He has the massive will to obsessively train, study, and do all the things he does. Becoming one of the strongest, smartest, and most effectual people alive. I doubt any human has a higher willpower than Bruce Wayne. He has even out-willpowered Wonder Woman’s lasso-of-truth.

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            I don’t really think that would carry over canonically, or else it would but heads with Green Lantern lore. There are multiple people that seem to have more willpower than Bruce Wayne. I think the only argument to Bruce not being a Green Lantern could be that be likes to instill fear, which us a big no no for the GLs.

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            He’s an orc. He’s batshit crazy and believes whatever wild scenario that keeps him alive or out of a situation will happen so strongly that the world bends to his will.

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            True, but wasn’t he also the only human (or otherwise, I think) to dodge Darkseid’s eyebeams? Admittedly it would take willpower to get to the point of being physically able to do so, but from what I understand of the eyebeams, also quite a bit of luck.

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              Wait, I thought he did get hit by the beams and they sent him back in time, and through what could only be described as an exceptional demonstration of determination and willpower, he worked his way back up through time- through ages & ages, to confront Darkseid again. Maybe we’re thinking of different storylines?

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                It’s very possible. I’ve never read more than a handful of Batman comics. A while ago I was big into TVTropes and Wikipedia regarding some superheroes; I’m pretty sure I read there that he was the only one to have dodged them.

                That’s why I keep providing caveats and prefacing my statements with things like "I read … " My claims are by no means authoritative and I don’t mean to represent them as such.

                Actually, the further I type this comment, the more I think my source was the Death Battle research team. I did not follow up with primary sources.

                That said, a quick search suggests that maybe whatever I read or watched was referencing the cartoons, rather than the comics. DB, as entertaining as they can be, generally sources whatever favors their desired outcome. If it was TVTropes or Wikipedia, they might not have referenced the source or I might have forgotten.

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          At first I thought, not very lucky to have your parents gunned down in front of you. Now I’m thinking how lucky he was to also not be shot. Damn…

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            Possibly the hypothetical power hadn’t manifested, or maybe had done so only in part, at that point.

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      His superpower is being rich enough to be called eccentric instead of just crazy. You know, crazy, like the label used on all the villains he fights.

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        The best Batman stories tend to display that the only difference between Batman and his rogues is that Batman’s insanity doesn’t make him dangerous to the general public.

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      Iron Man is a better example of a superhero who created powers for himself, but he isn’t one of the three most popular

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        iron man also doesnt have powers, those are his power/battle armor, eventhen he is beaten easily by villians with superpowers.

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      I get the inborn super-healing, and I get the addition of the adamantine (sp?) skeleton, but what powers did he create on his own?

      Martial arts ability?

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        Popularity is Wolverine’s greatest super power, at least according to Deadpool. It’s why he can never be killed. Well I think he was killed, but death isn’t permanent in comics.

        Fun fact: Wolverine was cut from the X-Men by the executives at Marvel because they thought no would like him. After about a year of mediocre sales, the execs didn’t care what they did with X-Men so the writers only then introduced Wolverine. Then suddenly the X-Men was one of the best selling comics at Marvel.

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          Hah, I’m old enough to remember how that actually went down in the struggling Marvel offices at the time. Early-to-mid 70’s was his actual creation-moment IIRC.

          You should read Mark Evanier’s blog if you’re actually curious about this stuff…

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      he gained admantium skeleton, claws. but he had regeneration as a mutant so born with. also adamantium was poisoning him, so his regeneration was keeping it in check(weakening his regen abilities)

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      Wolverine was born with healing factor, trained in his fighting skills and then had his admantium skeleton thrust upon him

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        Yeah, I was thinking that but wasn’t convinced. Similarly Batman was born rich, trained hard and had bereavement thrust upon, which likely created the persona. Perhaps we’re all a bit nature, nurture, and luck.

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      I am a lay person when it comes to comics, so feel free to tear me apart here. Could Bruce Banner potentially be all 3? His DNA was able to absorb the gamma radiation (born with it), he then had the radiation thrust upon him, and then he did whatever he did to make himself the smart hulk?

      A bit of a reach, I know.

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        Upvote, for seeming to be a nice person who sticks to that basic premise upon American comics. And for sure, folks like you are needed!

        Over here, I happen to prefer European comics, and actually I’d be curious to hear what you might think about such. Like, are they too weird for the USA, or…?

        https://piefed.social/c/eurographicnovels

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            i believe only ancient one did, that she also drew from the dark dimension(dormammus realm) which gave her immortality and other abilities. strange all comes from spellwork, like books and incantations, and recently darkhold magic/chaos, which gave him a permanent boost. like most previous holders.

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      Naruto i guess? He’s a child of a very powerful ninja(born), had a powerful creature sealed inside him at birth(thrust upon), and have to learn how to actually unlease and control that power(create).

      Otherwise i can’t seems to remember anyone that does have the 3.