Karl Marx was alive during the civil war. We know what he and his fellow communists thought about it. In fact, some of his fellow Communists were Forty-Eighters: German Radicals who were exiled after the failed revolutions of 1848, many of whom fought in the civil war.
One of them was August Willich, an ardent Communist who thought Marx of all people was too conservative. A “Tankie” of his day.
The German Communists, like Willich, who fought in the American Civil War believed that the war against slavery, and in the side of the Union, was a Social Revolution against the reactionary landed gentry of the south.
Many Forty-Eighters settled in Southwest, Ohio. If you go to the rapidly gentrifying Cincinnati neighborhood of Over The Rhine, it’s called that because it was originally made up of forty-eighter German immigrants, who became active participants in the underground railroad, and helped set up social programs to educate freed slaves, and provide them with housing and such.
So the only person lacking critical thinking here is you OP. You’ve made up a guy in your head, to get mad at.
Oh friend, you have this wrong, I agree 100%, sorry for not spelling it out! This meme is about the blind modern day teamist support for any “anti-west” regime, no matter how vile.
Nah, this meme is about the Russia-supporting dorks we see so much of. You don’t want to see more jokes about losers who twist themselves into intellectually and morally bankrupt shapes to defend authoritarianism, block button’s right there, because I’m gonna keep clowning on em :)
Sooo stupid, Russia wouldn’t have been a target, they possess too many nuclear weapons to risk having war with them (directly). You’re being propagandized… Russian trolls are going brrr right now to destabilise the world sadly, result: more fascistic tendencies (further fuelled by capitalism…)
“Just trust the most prolific invader in the world, which has been constantly invading and breaking promises, to not attack their enemy this particular time, even after admitting to pushing for war with said enemy”.
they possess too many nuclear weapons
Didn’t stop NATO from antagonising the USSR, the PRC, the DPRK.
Also, NATO has been literally targeting civilians in Russia, attacking nuclear power plants, and committing other war crimes, with no nuclear strikes so far.
Safe to say that you overestimate how much of a deterrence nuclear weapons are.
You’re being propagandized
This is said by a person that can only regurgitate propaganda of the most expensive propaganda machine in the world.
Haha. Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia, refusing Russia’s membership in NATO, and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO is somehow indicative of not pushing for war with Russia.
Russia has nukes. Iran doesn’t.
And? Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes. Going to also remind you that NATO also pushed for war with the USSR when the USSR did also have nukes, and did attack the USSR in various ways.
They would be at peace,
Haha. You trust your empire that has been constantly invading everywhere, doing genocides, carrying out terror attacks (including via DAESH) to be at peace in this case? Why?
and the myth of their military might would still be unbroken.
Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO’s capabilities against near-peers.
It did try to negotiate peace, but the European powers that are the masters of Ukraine right now do not understand that language, it seems.
Where they are the unquestionable aggressor of…
So, you are saying that NATO pushing for war with Russia, carrying out a coup in Ukraine, breaking promises to not expand towards Russia, and generally being the most prolific invader in the world is not aggression? Haha.
So, what should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world starts amassing troops on that state’s borders (or otherwise in position, like in the case of Iran), especially after a coup against a neighbouring state?
Lol peace could be established tomorrow when they back out of their invasion.
I hate USA’s world policing as well and their imperalism, but this conflict would not exist, when Putler didn’t get love fantasies of Hitler…
You can try to turn it as much as you like, russia is the aggressor, they didn’t had to invade (the krim in the first palce btw.).
peace could be established tomorrow when they back out of their invasion.
NATO would keep up its aggression against Russia, so peace can’t be achieved that way (unless you think that the rest of the world being subjugated by NATO is “peace”).
Meanwhile, the European powers could have agree to peace at many points, including in March, 2022, and including before 2022, and including by not doing the coup in 2013-2014.
I hate USA’s world policing as well
Firstly, you still believe whatever it says about its enemies. If you were alive back then, you would have believed Nayirah’s testimony.
Secondly, calling colonialism “world policing” is incredibly disingenuous and whitewashy.
but this conflict would not exist, when Putler didn’t get love fantasies of Hitler
Incredibly weird to claim this, considering that you support governments that worship personal friends of Hitler’s, shutzstaffel troops, and other participants in the Holocaust and the Lebensraum.
Also, it’s very obvious that the conflict would not have happened without NATO pushing for it.
russia is the aggressor they didn’t had to invade.
You are yet to explain what Russia should have done.
(the krim in the first palce btw.)
So, you think that the people of Crimea do not deserve self-determination? Do consider that even NATO studies agree that they wanted to split from Ukraine and join Russia.
What I find so sad about you tankies is how you just put everything in categories, like “those evil liberals” (sure the propaganda in the USA is also plain stupid, like communism used as some term of scaring someone etc.)
That the world is more complex, and authoritarian means are not the solution to establish healthy socialism long term… Russia or Puttler is purely destructive on basically all scales (now unquestionably joined by USA with their entirely idiotic leader)
There’s folk who can’t help but make anti-tankie posts in the fediverse, which specifically and directly are requests for that kind of responsive content.
It could also be them making fun of you for having a goofy and ignorant worldview, in which case constantly swarming the comments with r/atheism style pseudo-intellectual groupthink is… a choice
I wouldn’t mention the latter occasionally because you’re still using lemmy, so you can’t see my «Politics» label.
I sat down to review all your historical assertions without a single citation. Meaning, I won’t cite back if you don’t.
Are there Achtundvierziger today, or similar vanguard parties?
Godric maybe projecting the trends a sees from camp threadiverse comments & posts, but do we even have a contemporary vanguard party doing praxis? PSL legitimately doesn’t count, so if you bring them as an example, we have nothing further to discuss. You can also work with Godric to end campist rhetorizing moving forward. Whenever you both see campism, hold them accountable. I believe all of us🧵 want to end campism. I in particularly want to see Dengism邓理论 gone forever.
Be aware that I use this instance exactly because I have given up on 习 . So honestly don’t bring it up.
Yeah, what in the ever living fuck are you talking about? This AI listicle-ass comment is genuinely illegible to me. I don’t understand what you’re trying to say
I totally skimmed what you had written as it was pretty inchoherent. If your politics have become so esoteric that Lemmy users can’t parse them, that’s a ‘you’ problem and you might want to examine it.
Like, the barrier to entry of Lemmy filters users here such that: most people here tend to have above average intelligence and reading comprehension.
So, you’re either posting AI crap, or have gotten so twisted on some kind of propaganda that you can’t meaningfully comminciate with others. If you’re actually human you shoild probably unplug from your political ideology source and talk to an old wise hippy or something.
1 and 2 pertain to the same topic. 2 even continues the same sentence.
4 and 5 should be grouped together, as 5 refers to 4.
6 and 7 should be grouped together. In part because they both are just regurgitation of propaganda made by y the same people that sold you on Nayirah’s testimony, Iraq WMDs and the like. (Also, have to chuckle at the “campism” but when you very openly engage in pro-NATO campism.)
Just using standard paragraphs and not an ordered list would be more readable, since you are not enumerating anything, nor is there a good case for referring to each of these items by the numbers outside of the conversation about how useless the ordered list is here.
Yes, but the way you separated them makes things less readable. They should be combined into the same sentence, not into two separate numbered list items.
I can def. combine4&5, but will SpookyBogMonster keep quiet about point 4 if 5 is the only choice?
Not clear what you mean here.
6&7 need to be separated, as 6 is my intersection for Godric’s plea to end campist rhetorics
Firstly, what do you mean by “intersection for a plea”? I suspect you think that the word “intersection” means something other than what it means.
Secondly, Godric isn’t making any pleas here. Godric is simply running propaganda for the most prolific invader in the world and hates on socialists.
whence?
I will assume you meant “where?”, and not “whence?”. I suspect that you think that those words are synonyms.
Like, for example, when you claimed that Salvador Allende did a genocide. Also, complaints about “campism” are usually just support for colonialism (highly doubt that that is not the case for you). I can find more examples.
It isn’t any more brief than using standard paragraphs, nor does it simplify referencing, as one would just use markdown quotation for that here anyway.
Not at all sure what you mean by “value” here.
Your chosen way of formatting texts just makes them less readable.
Karl Marx was alive during the civil war. We know what he and his fellow communists thought about it. In fact, some of his fellow Communists were Forty-Eighters: German Radicals who were exiled after the failed revolutions of 1848, many of whom fought in the civil war.
One of them was August Willich, an ardent Communist who thought Marx of all people was too conservative. A “Tankie” of his day.
The German Communists, like Willich, who fought in the American Civil War believed that the war against slavery, and in the side of the Union, was a Social Revolution against the reactionary landed gentry of the south.
Many Forty-Eighters settled in Southwest, Ohio. If you go to the rapidly gentrifying Cincinnati neighborhood of Over The Rhine, it’s called that because it was originally made up of forty-eighter German immigrants, who became active participants in the underground railroad, and helped set up social programs to educate freed slaves, and provide them with housing and such.
So the only person lacking critical thinking here is you OP. You’ve made up a guy in your head, to get mad at.
lol, modern tankies have nothing to do with Marx.
Oh friend, you have this wrong, I agree 100%, sorry for not spelling it out! This meme is about the blind modern day teamist support for any “anti-west” regime, no matter how vile.
Don’t talk down to me. You made up a guy to get mad at. There is no human being on earth who holds the position you claim “Tankies” hold.
Delete this post.
Nah, this meme is about the Russia-supporting dorks we see so much of. You don’t want to see more jokes about losers who twist themselves into intellectually and morally bankrupt shapes to defend authoritarianism, block button’s right there, because I’m gonna keep clowning on em :)
Why can’t you explain what you think Russia should have done in response to NATO’s actions?
Funny thing, if Russia had just done nothing, they would be better off in every conceivable metric.
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Sooo stupid, Russia wouldn’t have been a target, they possess too many nuclear weapons to risk having war with them (directly). You’re being propagandized… Russian trolls are going brrr right now to destabilise the world sadly, result: more fascistic tendencies (further fuelled by capitalism…)
“Just trust the most prolific invader in the world, which has been constantly invading and breaking promises, to not attack their enemy this particular time, even after admitting to pushing for war with said enemy”.
Didn’t stop NATO from antagonising the USSR, the PRC, the DPRK.
Also, NATO has been literally targeting civilians in Russia, attacking nuclear power plants, and committing other war crimes, with no nuclear strikes so far.
Safe to say that you overestimate how much of a deterrence nuclear weapons are.
This is said by a person that can only regurgitate propaganda of the most expensive propaganda machine in the world.
No, they haven’t.
Russia has nukes. Iran doesn’t.
They would be at peace, and the myth of their military might would still be unbroken.
Haha. Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia, refusing Russia’s membership in NATO, and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO is somehow indicative of not pushing for war with Russia.
And? Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes. Going to also remind you that NATO also pushed for war with the USSR when the USSR did also have nukes, and did attack the USSR in various ways.
Haha. You trust your empire that has been constantly invading everywhere, doing genocides, carrying out terror attacks (including via DAESH) to be at peace in this case? Why?
Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO’s capabilities against near-peers.
Eh lol maybe just end this stupid war! Where they are the unquestionable aggressor of…
This war is so stupid on many levels… But Puttler cannot back down anymore without loosing his face, kinda sad situation…
It did try to negotiate peace, but the European powers that are the masters of Ukraine right now do not understand that language, it seems.
So, you are saying that NATO pushing for war with Russia, carrying out a coup in Ukraine, breaking promises to not expand towards Russia, and generally being the most prolific invader in the world is not aggression? Haha.
So, what should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world starts amassing troops on that state’s borders (or otherwise in position, like in the case of Iran), especially after a coup against a neighbouring state?
Lol peace could be established tomorrow when they back out of their invasion.
I hate USA’s world policing as well and their imperalism, but this conflict would not exist, when Putler didn’t get love fantasies of Hitler… You can try to turn it as much as you like, russia is the aggressor, they didn’t had to invade (the krim in the first palce btw.).
NATO would keep up its aggression against Russia, so peace can’t be achieved that way (unless you think that the rest of the world being subjugated by NATO is “peace”).
Meanwhile, the European powers could have agree to peace at many points, including in March, 2022, and including before 2022, and including by not doing the coup in 2013-2014.
Firstly, you still believe whatever it says about its enemies. If you were alive back then, you would have believed Nayirah’s testimony.
Secondly, calling colonialism “world policing” is incredibly disingenuous and whitewashy.
Incredibly weird to claim this, considering that you support governments that worship personal friends of Hitler’s, shutzstaffel troops, and other participants in the Holocaust and the Lebensraum.
Also, it’s very obvious that the conflict would not have happened without NATO pushing for it.
You are yet to explain what Russia should have done.
So, you think that the people of Crimea do not deserve self-determination? Do consider that even NATO studies agree that they wanted to split from Ukraine and join Russia.
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What I find so sad about you tankies is how you just put everything in categories, like “those evil liberals” (sure the propaganda in the USA is also plain stupid, like communism used as some term of scaring someone etc.)
That the world is more complex, and authoritarian means are not the solution to establish healthy socialism long term… Russia or Puttler is purely destructive on basically all scales (now unquestionably joined by USA with their entirely idiotic leader)
OP: “Tankies be like supporting slave holders”
Is there like a single introspective thought rattling in your brain? Or still constipated?
Right. A false appeal to my mental health. That’s not ableist at all.
We met different people then
Can you link to a post or comment from a communist who supports the confederates?
Do you think i save a link for every thing i see and interact with online?
What you’re talking about is pretty remarkable, sorry for asking for evidence.
So you’re a liar, Gotcha.
So why are you listening unquestioningly to team pedophile and team genocide?
Try getting your head out of your ass for once.
What? Ukraine? What are you talking about?
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Y’all really can’t help yourselves but to come into every anti-tankie post in the fediverse to call the OP stupid, huh?
When you make stupid posts, people are gonna think you’re fucking stupid
There’s folk who can’t help but make anti-tankie posts in the fediverse, which specifically and directly are requests for that kind of responsive content.
It could also be them making fun of you for having a goofy and ignorant worldview, in which case constantly swarming the comments with r/atheism style pseudo-intellectual groupthink is… a choice
I am not OP but a Black anarchist vanguard.
I wouldn’t mention the latter occasionally because you’re still using lemmy, so you can’t see my «Politics» label.
I sat down to review all your historical assertions without a single citation. Meaning, I won’t cite back if you don’t.
Are there Achtundvierziger today, or similar vanguard parties?
Godric maybe projecting the trends a sees from camp threadiverse comments & posts, but do we even have a contemporary vanguard party doing praxis? PSL legitimately doesn’t count, so if you bring them as an example, we have nothing further to discuss. You can also work with Godric to end campist rhetorizing moving forward. Whenever you both see campism, hold them accountable. I believe all of us🧵 want to end campism. I in particularly want to see Dengism邓理论 gone forever.
Be aware that I use this instance exactly because I have given up on 习
. So honestly don’t bring it up.
I am open for anything else.
Yeah, what in the ever living fuck are you talking about? This AI listicle-ass comment is genuinely illegible to me. I don’t understand what you’re trying to say
You’ve never seen an ordered list?
Want me to essay it?
I totally skimmed what you had written as it was pretty inchoherent. If your politics have become so esoteric that Lemmy users can’t parse them, that’s a ‘you’ problem and you might want to examine it.
Like, the barrier to entry of Lemmy filters users here such that: most people here tend to have above average intelligence and reading comprehension.
So, you’re either posting AI crap, or have gotten so twisted on some kind of propaganda that you can’t meaningfully comminciate with others. If you’re actually human you shoild probably unplug from your political ideology source and talk to an old wise hippy or something.
The ordered list in that comment serves no purpose, as the items are not even properly grouped. It just hurts readability.
They are grouped by topics 1 respondent, 2 politics, 3 literacy confirmation, 4 thesis, 5 warning, 6 intersection check, 7 commentary, 8 openness to dialogue
So, at the very least:
1 differentiates from op, 2 outlines my politics which may also differ from op. Continued sentences is something everyone does, no?
I can def. combine4&5, but will SpookyBogMonster keep quiet about point 4 if 5 is the only choice?
6&7 need to be separated, as 6 is my intersection for Godric’s plea to end campist rhetorics, not my personal antidengist praxis.
whence?
brevity, citation, referencing, value, formatting, etc…
I’ll edit an essay format you then.
Yes, but the way you separated them makes things less readable. They should be combined into the same sentence, not into two separate numbered list items.
Not clear what you mean here.
Firstly, what do you mean by “intersection for a plea”? I suspect you think that the word “intersection” means something other than what it means.
Secondly, Godric isn’t making any pleas here. Godric is simply running propaganda for the most prolific invader in the world and hates on socialists.
I will assume you meant “where?”, and not “whence?”. I suspect that you think that those words are synonyms.
Like, for example, when you claimed that Salvador Allende did a genocide. Also, complaints about “campism” are usually just support for colonialism (highly doubt that that is not the case for you). I can find more examples.
It isn’t any more brief than using standard paragraphs, nor does it simplify referencing, as one would just use markdown quotation for that here anyway.
Not at all sure what you mean by “value” here.
Your chosen way of formatting texts just makes them less readable.
A lot of people in the west think that Communists/Socialists are all leftwing, when there’s plenty of conservative traditionalist Communists.
There just more modern and outside the us, in places like China, Africa, Asia, and South America.