I’m 90% I’m about to be laid off from my job tomorrow and this is my first time being laid off and this was my first dev job. I’ve worked here for over 7 years which is a long time at a dev job I know.
I’m just wondering what I should do in the meeting, what should I ask for? I’m having a range of emotions from fear of losing my house and health insurance (thanks usa) to relief and hope that I’m going to find something better and more fulfilling.
Thanks for reading
This happens to a lot of people, you’re definitely not alone.
Just try not to go off the deepend and spend a month at the bottom of a bottle/bag like I did, that shit only postpones the bounce back.
Instead try taking walks, playing games, reading or working out, IE healthy distractions and work your way in to sitting with yourself and understanding how you feel and who you are after this job.
Most of the advice here is good. The less you say the better. Don’t sign anything. If they ask if you can do anything for them that’s not COMPLETELY standard (returning keys and equipment is obviously fine.) say “I need to think about it”. Don’t let them push you around.
Hey OP. I’ve been there, I’m sorry if it happens. Top comments here already have great advice. Take notes, DOWNLOAD YOUR ANNUAL REVIEWS NOW, make sure you can log into all hr sites on your personal laptop, makes w2 easier and 401k.
Not a lot of people are talking emotionally though. If you’ve never been laid off and this is your first, I want to prep you that this is going to hit hard. You don’t think so now, but you’re about to have massive emotional swings.
The first will be intense numbness and lonliness as you lose access/walk out. You will feel incredibly alone as your world is shut out. I want you to know that you are not alone, there are those who care for you. Tell your significant other, friend, even your mom. Reach out, talk to people if you need to. Ask someone if they want to meet for lunch. Try not to be alone all day. It will level set you and they’ll help. You’ll feel like you’re lost, but knowing people are still there helps immensely.
Don’t try to figure out your life that day. You have a great tenure of 7 years. You are allowed to take a break! Obviously I don’t know your finances, but I would take a week if you can, or minimum 24 hours before starting to think about your next role. You may feel panicky, like you have to get started, that’s normal, but fight that urge. Any plan you make in that state is going to be garbage anyway and you’ll need to redo it. Don’t do your resume yet, don’t start applying, just do something you enjoy. Hobbies, games, family time. It will also help center you.
This is a traumatic experience. No its or buts about it, its a feeling that still haunts me a year later. I still have intrusive thoughts of was I good enough, am I a failure, why was it me? It’s something I deal with, and I hope that at least in those first few days my advice will keep you moving.
Feel for you friend, I’ve seen it
Don’t sign anything they give you, ask to take it home and take the time to read and understand it first.
And then have a lawyer look at it.
Take it home without even asking.
Yeah - look hostile and claim to rename your locker to America!
In the meeting:
- Stay calm and maintain professionalism. Don’t show fear. Just try not to show any emotion.
- Take notes about anything that seems relevant to your layoff. PRO payouts, when your final day will be, any severance pay you might be getting, etc.
- Ask about COBRA benefits. But don’t go ahead with incoming those unless it’s necessary over the next few months, because they usually suck ass (cost a lot).
And some general advice:
- Look up how to, and then tee up, an application for state unemployment benefits. As soon as you’re laid off officially you can pull the trigger on that.
- Get personal contact info for anyone at your job who could be a good professional reference.
- Get copies of any work-related certificates that might be useful in future jobs.
- Try to find the good tech recruiters in your city or region. There’s usually at least one among all the crappy ones. Ask colleagues/friends if you don’t know where to stay. Avoid the sweatshops like Accenture unless absolutely necessary.
- Update your resume on LinkedIn and start looking for new opportunities. But I wouldn’t flip your status to ‘looking for work’ because you’ll probably just get flooded with spammers and scammers. But look on the down-low yourself.
- Determine which subscriptions you can cancel to save some money, because if you get laid off it’s belt-tightening time.
Good luck!
All good suggestions, and I cannot emphasize the unemployment benefits application enough. Those applications can take time to get approved and may require some pestering on your part to keep the unemployment office moving, so the sooner you file (preferably same day) the better off you are.
Even if you have money saved and are hoping to not need unemployment before you find a new job, apply anyway. You’re entitled to benefits just like everyone else, and with the current craziness of the world right now that extra cushion could come in handy in a few months.
You cannot stress this one enough. You don’t know how long you will be unemployed. Your nest egg might deplete and then it’s too late to start applying. Do it immediately!
Stay calm and maintain professionalism. Don’t show fear. Just try not to show any emotion.
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Get personal contact info for anyone at your job who could be a good professional reference.
These are the two most important pieces of advice I’ve seen so far, @iamericandre@lemmy.world
Good luck. Make sure you reach out to irl friends to help you deal with the emotional stress.
Save anything you think you might need that’s attached to a work account, like emails/contacts. You might be locked out soon.
They may offer you a severance agreement. These are negotiable, you can always ask for more prioritizing what is the most important and/or where they will be flexible:
Larger severance payment amount Longer healthcare subsidy Pto types balance payouts not already mandated by las Keep your computer, phone or other hardware Reference (if important for your area/industry) or neutral employment verification Etc.
Where are you based? Labour law varies quite a bit worldwide.
Sorry, NC USA
Live in a town called sorry?
They said the US, not Canada
Make sure that whatever you sign is clear on whether you are being fired or resigning. You don’t get unemployment when you quit.
Remember to breathe. Especially in the meeting itself, but before and after too. It’s a stressful operation, especially the first time.
Don’t make any big decisions 24 hours after, allow yourself time to decompress and evaluate your options. Also be careful not to burn bridges on a whim. Sometimes that’s the correct course of action, and if you’ve already decided that cutoff is needed, then stick to the plan. Just be aware that high emotions can make you do or say things you may come to regret down the line. Less is more in the immediate aftershock.
Make sure you understand every document before you sign it, and keep in mind that you can refuse your signature on any or all of them. EDIT: a clarification: make sure you understand what the document actually says, not what HR or whomever says it says, before signing. HR can get real interpretive when they’ve got a dozen people to get signatures from and aren’t under oath. Someone else mentioned taking documents home for review and I think that’s excellent advice.
If you have personal accounts logged into your work machine, log out of them and/or rotate the passwords for them.
Apply for unemployment benefits.
Be mindful about how much you drink or use drugs. If you find yourself using more, or if someone near you remarks on it, see if you can stop or cut back. If you can’t, seek help. That’s general purpose advice, but post-layoff is a particularly dangerous time.
Take stock of how much money you have, what your current expenditures are, and where you can cut. Subscriptions especially are good targets for immediate suspension or cancellation.
Keep in touch with your cool co-workers, if any. If it’s a mass layoff, a group text can be useful for sharing job leads, commiseration, or notification if your ex-employer tries to pull any bullshit.
That’s all I can think of for now. Good luck, and I hope for the best for you. But even if things turn out for the worse, it’s a bad day before better ones ❤️
If it’s going to happen, just play cool. If they terminate you, you don’t have to agree to anything or say anything you don’t feel like.
7 years is a good tenure. You can apply for new jobs from a strong position. Learn to leverage your sales pitch for what you learned and how you grew in those 7 years - that’s the story your next employer wants to hear. What are you finally good at? What did you fuck up and learn a valuable lesson from? Tell stories about that kind of shit in your next interviews.
Establish lines of communication with coworkers you want to maintain contact with. LinkedIn is good enough. You just want to be able to contact them for a reference on your job hunt. Prospective employers want to talk to them - so pick people that will sell you the best. They aren’t going to call your previous employer and ask how you did - fuck the company. Keep lines open with people you want to, and set them up while you’re still employed and can exchange emails with them.
What do you want to know in the meeting? Just ask. You aren’t under any obligation to answer any questions but you can ask whatever the fuck you want. It is unlikely to have any impact on the rest of your life if you ask a question or don’t. You’re done with these people. Don’t feel like you have to be obedient or indulgent.
If this is how it goes, that sucks. I know the anxiety that comes along with it. The last time I got laid off, I was even looking into fucking military service. Don’t panic and make rash decisions like I almost did. A gap in cash flow is scary as shit but you will bounce back and hit a new stride. The uncertainty is just shitty.
Good luck!
Stock up on torches, pitchforks, tar, and feathers.
You won’t immediately lose your house and health insurance. There’s a program called COBRA that you’ll gain access to that will allow you to continue to have health insurance, and you’ll get access to unemployment insurance, which will pay you a substantial percentage of your previous income on the condition that you’re actively applying to (I think 5?) jobs every week. Try to say as little as possible, and don’t sign or agree to anything on the spot, and consult with an employment attorney if you feel something is off about the layoff. I’m sorry this is happening to you, but I believe you’ll be able to recover from this.
COBRA cost me over 2k a month to keep my family covered. No fun. Had to do a hospital visit during that window though, so I probably came out ahead.
Ask for severance pay. I have previously been in your position and got 1mo/yr of employment. So you should ask for 7mos of pay as severance.
Why are you being laid off? Is it a company wide thing?
Make sure to get phone numbers from your coworkers and managers that you like for use as references for future jobs.
Hang in there. It sucks but you can get through this. Spruce up your resume. Think about what matters to you. Message me privately if you want to talk more. Take care and good luck.
I’m pretty sure it’s due to restructuring.
This is possibly a temporary solution, but if they’re restructuring, ask them if there’s a place in the new structure that you could fit into, even if it’s for a lower amount of pay. If applicable, emphasize your knowledge of the organization, procedures, processes, etc - all the nuanced institutional knowledge that you have. Even if the new job isn’t directly in your skill set, even if it’s a pay cut or part-time/less hours, it can buy you time to look for a new job.
File for unemployment and, if you want to keep your insurance, COBRA. If not, apply through your state’s marketplace.










