I mean why 5, why 5 on each limb, why not 4 or 6. Why do our feet also have 5. Whats with our body being so symmetrical.
People who know anything about evolution, now is your time to shine.
Once most societies decided to use a base 10 counting system, evolutionarily it just made the most sense to have a corresponding number of digits to help with maths.
Six fingers would have us at Base 12, yet another argument against intelligent design.
That’s… not how evolution works
Symmetry is useful for locomotion. It’s an easy way to get backup instances of things. By “easy” I mean it doesn’t take much “code” to accomplish for the value it produces.
When something is more valuable and “cheaper”/“easier” requiring less code to set up, it’s more likely to be selected for.
Basically, evolution produces organisms that work well in the environment, mainly by the environment trimming off the ones that don’t work there.
Well it turns out you can achieve all sorts of forward locomotion just by having two mirror copies of a thing and moving the mirror copies in an off-phase rhythm. Once you’ve got that back-and-forth timing, your body just needs to tend forward and suddenly you’re mobile.
Let’s look at it another way. One requirement for mobility is a direction. You can’t move without moving in a direction. A direction is a line. You can create movability by varying an organism’s form along the line of travel. The introduction of additional lines dilutes the motion-enabling asymmetry across multiple vectors.
The body form that concentrates the most variation along a single line is bilateral symmetry. Radial symmetry diffuses that variation across multiple lines, and hence doesn’t create motion.
I know I’m being really, really abstract here, but it’s a concrete fact of motion and geometry. Let me take another stab at summarizing why bilateral symmetry enable motion:
- simplest one-line directional geometry is actually radially symmetric. Think of a coke bottle or a flower. It has a line.
- bilateral symmetry actually has a plane, leading to more diffusion of aim
- but bilateral symmetry makes neural control easier: your signal just has to be A-B-A-B-A-B… . Left, right, left, right, etc
- With your radially symmetric form you need signaling like: A-B-C-D-E-A-B-C-D-E-A-B… . Like tuning the cylinders on a turboprop engine. This is how flagella move: in a corkscrew shape. It’s hard to coordinate.
Shit I’m just making it more complex. Bilateral symmetry gives you a nice combination of directionality (enforced by the way gravity squishes that plane down into a line of movement).
This is why you see more bilateral symmetry as organisms get larger: gravity requires asymmetric designs to be stable across the gradient. You see those circular-firing motility types at a more micro scale, where the effect of gravity is smaller. That radially-symmetric torpedo-sperm-flower-coke bottle shape needs to be in a well-organized circle in order for its thrust to not send the organism off on a crazy tangent, or best case traveling on an inefficient helical path. And even if the path is helical, that will only tend in a straight line, ie toward a target, if it’s not being distorted by gravity.
So the microscopic realm, where gravity is more negligible, you see more organisms that use a helical strategy for motion.
As gravity gets more primary, at larger scales, you start getting shapes like fish that always keep one side up and another side down. And the way the fish moves, despite having variation top to bottom as well as front to back, is by having no variation left to right. That lack of left-right variation allows the complementary action of its left and right to balance out to a straight line.
Following the A-B-A-B firing pattern, the fish moves its tail back and forth and achieves forward motion.
I hope that helped at least a bit. I know it was convoluted.
And shine you did!
Damn. That’s fucking awesome, thank you for the explanation.
Thank you. But this doesn’t explain the number of digits in hands and feet, does it? Great read BTW.
What number of fingers or toes would be not weird?
Nice try, AI image generator!
If you want to talk weird, each leg on a horse is actually one really long finger.
Only the lowest part.. But still weird.
Mostly it’s because, information wise, it’s almost nearly “free” to take a design and duplicate it…bilateral symmetry is natures version of copy/paste.
With that in mind, it’s likely that non-‘bilaterally symmetrical’ organisms relatively regularly spontaneously develop it due to random mutation. Just like we often randomly find people with extra fingers or only one set of organs, over millions of generations, bilateral symmetry will naturally just happen. The difference being, extra fingers or ‘more than two’ organs rarely offer any evolutionary advantage, especially in already complex forms.
Millions of years ago, however, very simple organisms suddenly having two brain lobes, two eyes, twice as many fins, two gills, etc….for free (informationally) and at only a relatively higher cost energy-wise could have found itself at a distinct advantage. If you can both run from predators and towards food twice as fast, and the energy cost isn’t twice as much, you’re suddenly the two legged guy at the ass kicking contest in a parade full of one legged people.
It’s because God had five fingers on each hand, and five toes on each foot, and he had to use all twenty to create the world. Humans have yet to unlock this potential.
How do i unlock being a complete egostitical sadist who demands people blindly worship me to gain eternal bliss no mater what or who they kill or harm in their life as long as they feel bad about it and say im rad?
I think the dude was just making a joke
Yeah his comment reads like a joke. It would be better if it was funny.
There are humans with 6. 5 is just the most common.
Yes but thats a genetic mutation I think
Having any fingers at all is a genetic mutation, thats how evolution works, it mutates, and if the mutation works well enough, it gets passed on.
The only difference between you and a genetic mutation is that your ancestors were better at breeding.
Is that a burn? I dont know if Im being insulted here and I dont know how to react.
It’s a burn and also true. If a genetic mutation becomes prevalent enough, it’s no longer really considered to be a “mutation”.
Yeah, “mutation” is like “terrorist”. No one calls you they of you win.