Interesting concept. Kind of like “is it really heaven if people you didn’t like while you were alive are also there?”
Utopia can never be utopia for everyone because some people will want hierarchy and superiority over others. So with this requirement, utopia cannot exist. Maybe that’s why it doesn’t :D
But if yes, then as long as current conditions meet anyone’s definition of utopia, then we’re all living in one.
No, Utopia has a defined set of meanings. If current conditions meet someone’s definition of Utopia, but doesn’t meet the defined set of meanings, it doesn’t mean current conditions are Utopia.
"The word utopia was coined in 1516 from Ancient Greek by the Englishman Sir Thomas More for his Latin text Utopia. It literally translates as “no place”, "
They are essentially saying that they would be happy in a place that does not exist. Doesn’t exclude the possibility that happiness could still be found in a place that does.
No, because a Utopia is a Utopia for everyone or it’s not a Utopia.
Interesting concept. Kind of like “is it really heaven if people you didn’t like while you were alive are also there?”
Utopia can never be utopia for everyone because some people will want hierarchy and superiority over others. So with this requirement, utopia cannot exist. Maybe that’s why it doesn’t :D
“Utopia” doesn’t mean everyone gets what they want. People can want things to be worse while still living in a Utopia.
I agree with your more sensible definition but it is a slippery concept.
It’s a bit ambiguous what it means to say:
Is it Utopia “for” someone if it isn’t their idea of Utopia? Seems like you are saying yes.
But if yes, then as long as current conditions meet anyone’s definition of utopia, then we’re all living in one.
Which brings us back to the OP.
No, Utopia has a defined set of meanings. If current conditions meet someone’s definition of Utopia, but doesn’t meet the defined set of meanings, it doesn’t mean current conditions are Utopia.
Utopia means “no place” so all utopias, by definition are imaginary.,
Yes!
"The word utopia was coined in 1516 from Ancient Greek by the Englishman Sir Thomas More for his Latin text Utopia. It literally translates as “no place”, "
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia
This the etymology yes.
“But it now usually describes an ideal society that is considered better than contemporary society.”
So, as you can see we’re not in ancient greece, are we? “Buzz lightyear smug squint”
So, when people say they’ll be happy in utopia, they’re unintentionally making a depressing dark joke?
They are essentially saying that they would be happy in a place that does not exist. Doesn’t exclude the possibility that happiness could still be found in a place that does.
Neverland