• scarabic@lemmy.world
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      4 hours ago

      Interesting concept. Kind of like “is it really heaven if people you didn’t like while you were alive are also there?”

      Utopia can never be utopia for everyone because some people will want hierarchy and superiority over others. So with this requirement, utopia cannot exist. Maybe that’s why it doesn’t :D

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        2 hours ago

        “Utopia” doesn’t mean everyone gets what they want. People can want things to be worse while still living in a Utopia.

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          58 minutes ago

          I agree with your more sensible definition but it is a slippery concept.

          It’s a bit ambiguous what it means to say:

          unless it’s Utopia for everyone

          Is it Utopia “for” someone if it isn’t their idea of Utopia? Seems like you are saying yes.

          But if yes, then as long as current conditions meet anyone’s definition of utopia, then we’re all living in one.

          Which brings us back to the OP.

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            43 minutes ago

            But if yes, then as long as current conditions meet anyone’s definition of utopia, then we’re all living in one.

            No, Utopia has a defined set of meanings. If current conditions meet someone’s definition of Utopia, but doesn’t meet the defined set of meanings, it doesn’t mean current conditions are Utopia.

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          16 hours ago

          This the etymology yes.

          “But it now usually describes an ideal society that is considered better than contemporary society.”

          So, as you can see we’re not in ancient greece, are we? “Buzz lightyear smug squint”

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            11 hours ago

            They are essentially saying that they would be happy in a place that does not exist. Doesn’t exclude the possibility that happiness could still be found in a place that does.