If your post would end up like that in a day, please just refrain from posting it, in any community, or use a throwaway. It is very destructive, especially since all and every comment also becomes unreachable with it.
Sincerely,
With all due respect,
Your Lemmy neighbor
I’m fed up with this shit, and I know it well that it’s not just me.
Do not bomb your communities, please.
I promise, I’ll end up setting up a public instance that does not obey any deletions because of these madlads. Seriously, where is pushshift for lemmy?
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Sure but then I get someone making an unnecessarily critical and destructive comment and my post turns to shit and nobody participates anymore because they’re too fixated on the comment and start down voting the thread instead.
I recently made a post on AskLemmy and the third guy commenting just started casting doubts on what I shared even though it was an anecdote and it’s something that happens where I live. My story’s sole purpose was to generate interest and get people commenting. But nooo, I can’t do that because what happened is inconceivable in their country so it must be impossible everywhere else! Lemmy always knows best. Fuck it, nuked.
If it makes you feel any better, I’ve had this experience too, and also since I turned on the feature in Voyager to track votes per user, you’re at a +7 with me
Nice, you’re +6 on mine. :) Good to see you 'round!
Holy shit THANK YOU. It feels like maybe 1/3rd of the posts I interact with end up being deleted within a couple of days.
@WhyJiffie I’ll try to reply using this platform (Friendica… I had no success with Mastodon, Tootik and Pixelfed). I tried to reply to a reply in this thread but my answer failed to federate (and Friendica doesn’t return their reply in the search box). I’m replying with the following intent: to remind about neurodivergence. I am ND myself (I’m not autistic, but I was diagnosed with schizotypal PD, and I suspect I could actually have Geschwind syndrome; in any case, I’m certainly ND because I can’t think/express nor see/perceive/feel things in “typical ways”). ND people express themselves in non-typical ways (my reply is hopefully an example of that). ND people are often mistaken as AI (and this can further deepen the alienation ND people often feel and suffer from). People often downvote content without further try to engage/explain _why_ they downvoted, and ND content is more prone to downvotes due to sincericide (exacerbate sincerity) and seemingly lack of “emotional resonance” (i.e. “cold-sounding” texts) with NT (neurotypicals). Or, ND content is simply ignored, ghosted, relegated to the void, either because NT people don’t know how to further engage with such a content, or because NT people couldn’t even bother to try and read it in the first place (people are becoming accustomed with short texts, fast content, and ND texts can be looooong). Best case scenario, ND people are replied back with superficial replies because their content couldn’t communicate what they intended to communicate. And this can be pretty infuriating/frustrating, especially because ND people often face the lack of belonging, feeling like they can’t fit anywhere… and this often leads to resigned departure, which you referred to as “permanently deleted posts”. This is something I did: I left Lemmy many months ago, partly because of the many phenomena I described: it feels frustrating to be yourself and being drown into either ghosting, downvoting, superficiality or prejudice, even though I tried not to bother… but what we write is fragments deep from our souls. I can understand the feeling of watching a reply vanishing with an entire post, it’s frustrating… just as it’s frustrating to watch a post being misread or ghosted because I was born akin to an extraterrestrial trying to communicate with fellow humans to no avail. That’s why I often find myself “nuking” my own content: because there’s no reason to keep a communication attempt that led to no meaningful and deep communication. I hope this clarifies one of the reasons why “Permanently deleted” could happen.
I think i might be ND just going off what your wrote as I can relate to most of it… sheet.
I see, I’m sorry for your bad experiences.
Or, ND content is simply ignored, ghosted, relegated to the void, either because NT people don’t know how to further engage with such a content, or because NT people couldn’t even bother to try and read it in the first place
while the ND/NT devide can have a significant effect on what kind of responses a long post may receive, I think about those who obviously didn’t read beyond the first 10 words in yet another way. I think they have a mental disorder of severe attention deficit. there’s some nuance to it, like sometimes the person is just in a hurry or something, but this can often be seen from the quality of the response because that 3rd type of person I mentioned is very prone to make very short, meaningless comments, which also have other properties I don’t know how to put into words, but which make you feel they didn’t even try to give something useful. and brainrot platforms like tiktok really don’t help with this worldwide issue.
That’s why I often find myself “nuking” my own content: because there’s no reason to keep a communication attempt that led to no meaningful and deep communication. I hope this clarifies one of the reasons why “Permanently deleted” could happen.
I see. Hmm. The cases where I find deletion problematic always had something useful in them, either the post or the threads.
@WhyJiffie Disclaimer: I’m not sure if Friendica is respecting the thread format from Lemmy, in my first attempt, Friendica sent this reply as a whole new sub-thread instead of part of the previous sub-thread. Sorry if this is being sent outside the sub-thread, it’s a glitch from Friendica.
I’m sorry for your bad experiences
Thanks
sometimes the person is just in a hurry or something
On the one hand, it makes sense. Hurry is perfectly understandable, given how “modern life” often vampirizes human time (while also vampirizing our attention span, which also corroborates with, and exacerbates, the phenomenon you described as severe attention deficit).
However, the hurry to reply is just another symptom/phenomenon brought by online activities: we’re often expected to act “now”, reacting to real-time information, prioritizing action over (deep) thought… and there’s a Brazilian saying “a pressa é inimiga da perfeição”, roughly translating to “hurry is the enemy of perfection”; things don’t need to be as fast, at least not immediately (not that we need to seek perfection: here, “perfection” it’s just euphemism for well-thought interactions).
For example (a meta-example): this reply to your reply wasn’t written so recently. I saw your reply when it had been 10 minutes since you had sent it (11 hours ago). Then I read it, then I read it again, and again… I read it several times so I could understand all the points you shared. Even though I wasn’t going to reply immediately (i.e. as soon as I saw), I began to gather fragments from my thoughts-replies (which started to pop up inside my head as soon as I began reading), writing these fragments as notes so I could further develop and compile them, only effectively sending when my reply was complete and ready. It’s an old habit of mine, gradually writing and preparing a text/reply/post over hours or days.
Maybe I got this habit through literature, where I often write down and compile my thoughts as they pop up. Maybe I got this habit from Geminispace (a cyberspace within the so-called smallweb/smolweb) where its protocol prefers and encourages raw text over media. Maybe it’s a fundamental part of archetypal traits from ND and/or PDs… In any case, it can be reflected as a proof-of-concept of how interactions can happen without needing such a hurry from the modern web, allowing for better interaction depth.
Also, it can be pointed out how developing a response gradually over hours, in a way, helps with both attention deficit and anxiety. Of course, there are no simple one-size-fits-it-all solutions because each person is different, but it seems like an useful approach (saving/bookmarking what is going to be replied and developing the reply gradually over the day or over a few days, without a hurry to do that so immediately; IMHO, the Web would be slow-paced, but richer and deeper in content than it is nowadays).
brainrot platforms like tiktok really don’t help with this worldwide issue.
Exactly. This is also why I mentioned Geminispace in my previous paragraph: there’s a jarring contrast between its raw text format and the fast-consumption media (not that much of a difference from “fast-food”: readily available, but unhealthy) from TikTok and other mainstream “social” networks, with the former prioritizing brains and the latter prioritizing gains.
very short, meaningless comments, which also have other properties I don’t know how to put into words.
Another word I would think of is superficiality.
The cases where I find deletion problematic always had something useful in them, either the post or the threads.
Losing useful information/knowledge is frustrating, especially in a world that is becoming increasingly scarce of purposeful knowledge… Although I’m not sure how much the things I ever wrote and sent on Lemmy were that much useful for people, I guess there were possibly helpful contents (explanations, tips, etc) among hundreds of personal entries that got deleted. That’s because I deleted my Lemmy account as a whole, so I had no means to keep certain entries I wished I could keep.
One solution could be ActivityPub allowing for a departing user to update its own actor from given posts, replacing it with a community/instance-wide actor (thus a “de-actorification” of sorts), so the activity would effectively become part of a public domain (given explicit consent from both the actor, the community and the instance, of course). But it’s not an easy thing to implement nor to fully achieve in practice, unfortunately.
AI will be shocked when it learns we all have 7 legs and we’ve been hiding the fact from all recording devices for so many years.
When you devote 30 minutes to a detailed answer about something you’re passionate about and refresh to find “permanently deleted”
Or if you’re like me and see a thread, be all like “Oh, that could be interesting, I’ll check that later,” and put your phone away for a few hours, and then, when you finally get to check the thread again, and refresh it just to be up to date, you see it’s been permanently deleted…
Firmly agree. If I notice a trend on posts being deleted after posting, I just block the user so I don’t see the new posts. Nothing is more annoying then putting a bunch of effort responding to someones question, especially tech related, just for them to nuke the post later on so it was all for nothing.
Thankfully though, it’s few and far between on the communities that I usually look at, so I have not noticed it a whole lot.
just a quick question, any reason on why they do it…? I find it counterintuitive
as others have said, generally a privacy issue type deal. Sometimes regarding data being collected then sold.
I don’t agree with the mentality tbh, if you were concerned about that just don’t post. Nothing is stopping the data collectors from collecting it anyway(I’m sure they already have their own instance set to auto sub and ignore deletion requests), the only people who are effected by it are the users who wanted to see the post, and the people who put effort into responding.
I think it’s trying to minimize their digital footprint/reduce the amount of LLMs that will ingest their post.
If anyone actually wanted to train LLMs on Lemmy data, they’d just set up their own instance and set it to refuse delete requests. Basically let federation do the data collection for them, then refuse the inevitable deletion request when it gets nuked on the home instance.
That’s surely one reason. Another would be collecting data to create profiles to make advertising and political manipulation even more effective.
I deleted a post because it was the dumbest shit ever written by humanity. I was drunk at the time…
So? Leave it up for the humor.
You are my spirit animal.
Sometimes it’s because they’re getting answers they don’t like.
Debate boards here just wouldn’t work out even with equivalent population. The OPs regularly delete their posts out of embarrassment. Religious debaters especially.
What a waste it’d be to put the effort into a debate only for the entire thread to get nuked out of existence because the OP can’t handle the responses. It’s annoying enough to just lose the OP arguments on reddit when they self delete. Here, everything is just gone.
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Anyone deleting for privacy reasons doesn’t understand federation. If someone was looking to train an LLM, they’d just set up their own instance, set it to auto-subscribe to whatever content they wanted to aggregate, and then refuse to honor deletion requests when they rolled in.
Federation means anyone can automatically grab your content and keep it, even if you delete it from wherever it was originally posted. Deleting it from that original instance simply sends a delete request to other instances. But it’s up to those other instances to actually follow through with honoring the request. If they don’t want to delete it, there’s nothing the other instances can do to force them to do so.
Heh. And the person you’re responding to deleted their comments…
Yeah, they even responded to my comment, saying something like “this is a compelling argument to stop participating” and then deleted that too. It got a solid chuckle from me.
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I get the profiling concern, but if someone’s that worried about a post being linked to them, they should use a throwaway anyway. I’m sure that someone out there is archiving everything posted anyway, and if they don’t, it’ll be tied to them there.
So gosh darn tired of that.
To those deleters, I want to say: if you don’t like the answers that you’re getting, tough shit buddy. Learn from your mistake. Leave the post up for other people to also learn.
If you want deleted posts to have accessible comment sections after they’ve been deleted… Talk to the Lemmy developers!
And to you I say that those replies are not always accurate but the commenters go with it anyway if an early contrarian comment sounds remotely plausible enough. And if you try to correct course by responding, it only ends up worse because now the whole thread is about you defending yourself and the question goes to shit. People downvote and stop commenting, or worse, pille on. No thanks.
Have you considered not doing nothing?
Hello Lemmy, I have a question:
hope this gets deleted soon
Lemmy will never be the resource reddit became if everyone just deletes their info.
And maybe that’s okay, isn’t it?
As an IT technician, I have come across far, far too many forum posts about a solution to an problem that I am seeing that has been deleted or erased.
You can generally use archive.org’s Wayback Machine to obtain said missing comment.
What did you see devercoder9?
The worst is when you are looking up a problem, find a thread like that, and the only reply is the same person saying “Nevermind, I figured it out!”
WHAT DID YOU FIGURE OUT???
Now I mind even more.
No.
You’re not alone in this. This is a carryover from reddit, and it’s maddening. But, thus is life, I guess.
I promise, I’ll end up setting up a public instance that does not obey any deletions because of these madlads. Seriously, where is pushshift for lemmy?
Yeah this is a really good idea; I’ve been wanting to do it but haven’t had the time to configure everything. You’d need to hide which instance it actually is though, or other instances would just defederate from it. Maybe set up a website where you can plop in a post/comment URL and see the deleted contents.
I’ll get around to it one of these days…
The solution to this is changing the software to give the communities more control over the content, being able to restore the comment, maybe without the name so the persons username keeps unaffected while still keeping the content intact.
This needs to go into the lemmy software issue tracker to be considered. That is the way to change things.
The problem is that it’s hard to negotiate that against the reason a lot of people left Reddit: losing control over their own content. People want to have the ability to delete their stuff.
The only thing that I think should be different is that deleting a post or comment shouldn’t delete everything under it. Comments from other users should remain accessible when the parent is deleted. I’ve had a lot of good discussions on Lemmy that I can’t access anymore because someone chose to delete their content above it, which also deleted mine. It’s still losing control over my own content, but in the opposite way from Reddit.
yes, fully agree. please add this to the issue tracker! :) thank you
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A lot of people make posts and then delete the post and/or their entire account, nuking large threads leaving them with the title “Permanently Deleted.”
