Those of you who still use windows for one reason or more, where do you draw the line about the shitty things microsoft is doing? By drawing the line I mean using some other operating system no matter how bothersome it might be.

Not judging or anything, i’m just curious where the general mindset is about it.

  • Olhonestjim@lemmy.world
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    54 分钟前

    I used Windows 10 for a while. But now I’ve completely moved to various flavors of Linux. I’ll get GrapheneOS or something on a phone if possible later.

    Only place I still have windows 11 is my work PC. Nearly all the main annoying crap is managed away by IT, and it’s still irritating as hell.

  • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 小时前

    Unfortunately with the way you asked, and especially with asking on Lemmy, you’ll get a lot of tech saavy people, and FOSS enthusiasts. You’ll also get a handful of people here who can’t help but talk down to anyone who dares to say that Windows isn’t just the fucking worst.


    I’m primarily Windows, with an Ubuntu VM for working with obscure FOSS utilities (like I had to use someone’s college project to recover data off a USB HDD where the enclosure broke, and it turned out the manufacturer used whole disk encryption so you couldn’t just shuck it and go, but it was thankfully trivial with the key stored in a specific sector) and to work with github projects that only provide build instructions for Linux.

    I run a personally customized and debloated install of Windows 10 Pro on my desktop, and Windows 10 Ameliorated (someone else’s debloat setup I cribbed a decent amount from) on a laptop that is mostly used as a remote endpoint for the desktop through sunlight/moonlight (whatever the open source version of nVidia streaming is). The debloating took maybe 4 hours (6 if you include the time to figure out how to stream updates and drivers into the install media) and I’ve had no issues with any of the shit people complain about. I’m in control of my own updates (although you can’t delay them indefinitely, you can push them back multiple weeks and prevent auto-restarts), no onedrive, stripped out telemetry shit and blocked through host file and DNS in case any was missed or added later. No updates have reset any settings I’ve set, despite the common insistence that everyone says they do.

    But I also have almost a decade in supporting Windows, from intro IT help desk to many years as a sysadmin and IT infrastructure “engineer”. I know what levers Microsoft has built for businesses to use to kill the bullshit, anf I cry at just how ridiculously bad a shit ton of Windows advice online is.


    As far as Linux goes, I’m no stranger to it, and have been poking around with it since Knoppix was one of the only options (if not the only) for live-boot. I’m the go to guy on my team for the few Linux based appliances we run that don’t belong to the network team. I want it to be a competitive alternative for corporatized software.

    But I bounced off it in the mid-late 00’s as I got tired of how much tinkering it took. By the time I was interested in checking it out again, I was working in IT, and nothing drains you of energy to tinker with computers at home like doing it eight hours a day for work. I wanted my stuff at home to just work, to the point that I even was mostly gaming on console.

    I’m out of my burnout now, built a new desktop when I got my sysadmin/infra position, and built up a homelab of VMs to try (and fail to) speedrun studying for the MCSE before MS stopped offering it, since I work in a primarily Windows environment.


    Whenever I finally get some free time, I plan to sit down and document customizing Win11 to not suck for the sake of all the people online that insist it simply isn’t possible at all… and to set aside a dedicated drive to try out some more modern Linux distros again.

    But I’ll be honest, most Linux troubleshooting stuff still seems to be pretty finicky and still a tradeoff compared to the amount of stuff that “just works” on Windows (nVidia GPUs, HDR, VRR for a few examples). Definitely far better than it used to be, but still not to the point where the OS just gets out of your way. Windows still seems to be able to get to that point more easily.

    I hope to proven wrong in my opinions about the current state of things.

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    I use windows because the fire code mandates it, and cause having sunlight in rooms is nice. Also I can see the weather and when the mail arrives.

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    I stopped using Windows on my own machines many years ago. It was probably about the time when the games I was playing ran well enough, so dual booting was just taking up space I could use.

  • Suck_on_my_Presence@lemmy.world
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    I was building myself a new computer from scratch and I had a friend whose laptop I would borrow on occasion that had win 11 on it.

    Knowing how bad win11 was and knowing I’d have to pay yet another $100+ to be graced with the garbage on my system, I decided to partition an old laptop and play around on mint for a minute. The rest, they say, is history.

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    I drew the line at Windows 10. It was bad enough. 11 was a bridge too far. I basically quit 4 months ago and wiped my last Windows machine today. I just made a post about it!

    For anyone on the fence, do it!

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      10 was great actually. If you went from 10 to 11 like I had to for work, you know it day one. 11 just sucks donkey dick hard.

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    7 小时前

    The AI nonsense would need to personally disrupt my user experience on a daily basis.

    I’ve already made up my mind about switching due to the AI nonsense that has already happened, but I’ve been putting off actually doing anything about it.

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    I drew the line when my Windows box told me I couldn’t do something even with admin. Kid, you work for ME, not the other way around.

    Always preferred Linux over Windows, but I had issues with games on it. I just decided that I wouldn’t play any games that didn’t work. That was a couple of years ago now, and things have only improved since.

    My fiance, who is not a technical person, even decided she wanted her new PC to run Linux unprompted, which is a hell of a win for Linux and for me in not having to support a Windows box in the house.

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    8 小时前

    The line is between my home and the office. Linux at home for nearly twenty years and windows at work because so few know better.

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      8 小时前

      I only use Windows at work because that is what they have me on my work laptop and I haven’t replaced it. I just use Linux in a VM instead. That way I don’t need to explain a thing to internal IT, but just work within the VM.

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        7 小时前

        My work is maintaining a distributed windows network. Domain controllers VM’s and over a hundred workstations in several locations.

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    Its still on my wife’s and step child’s PCs, but not on mine. They don’t seem bothered by it or don’t use them enough to be inconvenienced, and I’ll not force my will on their user experiences. If they mention anything about it I’ll gladly help them get into bazzite as I have. So far we’ve all still been able to play the games we want to together. Oh and my wife has a work laptop that has to be windows but that can’t be helped.

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    4 小时前

    I was only on Windows for gaming. When Kushner / Saudi royalty bought EA, I dipped because of Kashoggi. I would like to still play bf6 and fortnite but not enough to stay on Windows.

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    8 小时前

    Every tool for it’s job.

    I have 4 windows boxes 5 linux boxes and 3 macs in the house.

    I will not force the children off Roblox I will not buy the children macs. I will not put forth monumental effort for a substandard experience just to get rid of windows.

    If roblox gives in to linux with a native app or wine, (or they age out of roblox) I’ll give it a test run with the kids assuming they don’t have another game that requires the same.

    I cannot eradicate the last Windows box for work because there are closed things I must occasionally deal with. That said it’s use is around once a week.

    I will eventually eradicate my security camera VM, but I need a lot of time to work on frigate.

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      Roblox is banned in our house. Not due to o/s concerns, but child grooming concerns. Snapchat, also banned.

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      Frigate’s setup is a bit fussy at first but is well worth the time and effort. I’ve been running 2 instances for two years and can count the number of false positives on one hand.

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        8 小时前

        So what I have going on is Blue-Iris. I have a load of pixel barriers and notifications wrapped around times. If someone opens the community mailbox not between 2 and 4 pm on week days or 11am on Saturday, it sends me a webhook ntfy with the image and an emergency alarm (mail thefts been happening). I have it doing ALPR on two streets and then I have alarms for humans in the driveway and humans on the back porch at specific hours with more webhook ntfy. I dedupe alarms and use Blue-Iris for scrubbing and storage.

        My cameras are super good at AI person detection and provide it through ONVIF so I don’t know that I’ll get a lot more out of it, but getting rid of the Windows laptop running the job would be nice.

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          I believe Frigate can do all that, but you’re looking a huge investment of time to duplicate your Blue-Iris configuration. If it were me I’d be tempted to put up with Windows until something forced a change.

      • rumba@lemmy.zip
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        8 小时前

        Thanks for looking it up, I’ve already been there, it’s Android emulation and it doesn’t perform well enough for what they’re doing. One is doing split timing stuff, and the other is doing perverse things to build a boat that won’t even run under native Android.

        Back when the straight wine client was allowed, it was good enough I could have switched, but I walk have been back where I am now.

        I’m a bit concerned that even if I did convince them to use an emulator, Roblox would get a case of the ass and block it as they did for Linux.

        As disappointed as I am that they’re stuck in Windows, I’d be irrationally angry having to reinstall Windows.

        • 🇵🇸antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml
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          Ah that’s unfortunate. Hopefully they can fix their rectal cranial inversion and just allow people to play the game.