I asked him “what color were the clouds back then?” and he said they were white. I asked him what happens if I take an orange light and light up something that’s white with it. He ignored me. He went on about how everyone in his age group remembers the Sun being orange, and by me questioning him, I’m calling him and all his peers liars and I’m stupid because I’m younger than him and vaccinated.
Yes. If the sun was orange, the light would be orange, and everything white would be orange.
The fact that your friend believes the sun was replaced by a giant LED is a sign they should not be your friend anymore
Your friend is either trolling you or a complete idiot.
I’d assume trolling
No, there’s actual people like that. The guy I mentioned in my comment came into work one day, claiming that the moon makes its own light. I once asked him if he had heard of the Stargate series. He paused, looked me dead in the eye, and said, super seriously, “yes and Stargates are real.”
There are people that honestly believe this shit. The only thing is now they have the internet to convince each other that it’s all real.
The nature of reality is such that you can believe a very silly thing and have it impact your life in no meaningful way. People have been wrong about the nature of the universe for millennia and continued to get by. The oddball who believes in native moonlight and stargates isn’t going to benefit tangibly for being correct or suffer tangibly for his misbelief. In many cases - thanks to the proliferation of internet subcommunity echo-chambers - they may actually suffer (socially) for reconciling their beliefs with reality if they can’t bring their friends along for the ride.
But, again, when they have extremely limited influence over their surroundings (this guy is not, presumably, running an astronomy lab or charged with funding improvements to municipal mass transit) their zany beliefs don’t really matter. Correctness doesn’t benefit them and incorrectness is more fun.
Well they are real, they used them in the series.
They don’t make you teleport though, that’s just special effects.
Has he written his congresspeople about the need to increase defense spending because of the threat of the Goa’uld?
Stargates are real.
Found him!
It’s the Fargate! “F”! It’s different from that movie, which I have never seen, so how would I copy it?
Ok but hear me out. I get laughed at for this, but I do think the moon is pretty hollow. The Apollo astronauts are on record saying it rang like a bell when they landed on it.
I dont think its that crazy that the moon is very cavernous and hollow compared to earth. Now, aliens dont live inside it I dont think, but thats another theory haha!
it wasn’t a “landing” they crashed their lander into the moon to measure seismic data. They basically did an orbital strike with a bus. It vibrated for a long time because there isn’t much to dampen the vibration when most of the surface is hard rock with no moisture.
I actually like this example. All too often we hear a kernel of truth, “the moon rang like a bell”, without context or explanation and can just apply logic that that seems reasonable with things we understand without questioning the result
Look at this sucker, he thinks the moon is real!
Probably both
No. I know people like this irl.
Not the exact belief, but insane nonetheless. Usually they get all their news from fb and xitter. And theyre always smarter than scientists despite not finishing hs or college (not that one needs to do those things to be smart, but just saying as a rule…)
I stand by my previous statement. They are either trolling you or complete idiots.
Or mentally ill.
It’s likely this isn’t the only conspiracy theory he believes in. Time for you to find better friends,.
They didn’t replace the sun that would be impossible
They replaced the sky which obviously uses LED imagine trying to run a panel of halogens that big
imagine trying to run a panel of halogens that big
Is that what caused global warming? /s
No, that was me. I stuck my glove in the oven.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
A simple google will tell anyone the following
The Sun is white. It appears yellow from Earth because of scattering from the atmosphere. Its peak visible light is in the green part of the spectrum.
He could be a liar, I dunno, but he is definitely a doodoo head
https://sciencenotes.org/what-color-is-the-sun-hint-not-yellow/
Edit: your friend is almost certainly unconsciously mistaking the shift to LED bulbs as the “deyellowing” of society
We perceive the sun as white. That’s a fairly important distinction.
The reason we perceive the sun as white is surely because the sun has output basically the same spectrum as long as humanity (and a great deal of humanity’s precursors) has existed. We evolved with our eyes considering the spectrum the sun kicks out as fully white light, comprised of the sum total of electromagnetic frequencies we’re able to receive with our eyeballs.
There is no such thing as objective color of any light. Our understanding of color is completely based on our perception of it. If the sun’s peak output were in the 590–625nm range (what we currently perceive as orange) for all that time rather than in the green part of the spectrum it is in reality (500–565nm), we undoubtedly would have evolved to see that particular spectrum combination as white light instead.
All of the above notwithstanding, if the spectrum output of the sun changed overnight like OP’s idiot friend is suggesting, it would be immediately apparent to everyone who isn’t literally blind.
the sun has output basically the same spectrum as long as humanity
Last time I checked, human output was brown.
And if it’s not someone should check in with humanities veterinarian…
Ok. Devils advocate here. If it did change, and did it gradually, would we notice? And if it changed suddenly wouldn’t we adjust and soon see things as we always have?
The question is how gradually. Over the span of 10,000 years, probably not. Over the span of a month, absolutely. Remember that the hue of sunlight already changes significantly throughout the day based mostly on the sun’s proximity to the horizon (and thus how much thickness of crap in the atmosphere it has to plow through to get to your location) and we can definitely detect that easily.
One point on perception - doesn’t the sun appear somewhat yellow because the blue light has a stronger tendency to scatter, meaning that the roughly white light of the sun is less blue, with all the blue color of the sky being taken away from the color of the sun?
More or less, yes. That’s also why it appears more red/orange as it gets closer to the horizon from your perspective, since at that oblique angle the light has to pass through more of the atmosphere to get to you and more of it gets scattered or absorbed by particulates in the air.
The sun is actually green and our brains autocorrect it to white??? What the fuck
Where is the ambient horizon lighting coming from in the right-side of the picture?
I’m pretty sure it’s cgi upon inspection lol
From light pollution. Or it’s just early morning in there.
You should get them a carbon monoxide detector.
Underrated comment.
because I’m younger than him and vaccinated.
Bruh your friend is a conspiracy theorist. There’s no arguing with him because he already thinks Bill Gates created the Corona virus to exterminate humans so the underground lizard men can retake the surface (actual quote from a conspiracy theorist I used to know, and claimed the same kinda batshit bullshit your friend is saying).
Honestly? Your best bet is to just not engage with them when topics like that come up. Incredibly difficult (sometimes impossible) to get them to realize the fairy tales they’ve convinced themselves are real, aren’t actually.
If it gets too much to handle, probably best to cut ties.
Your best bet is to just not engage with them when topics like that come up
real soon it will include any topic
These people will believe batshit insane stuff like this but refuse to believe billionaires are running the world and destroying life for all of us. The disconnect is concerning.
See that’s another thing. He fully believes the illuminati are real. But he doesn’t think it’s the people that are obviously close to that truth in reality (Trump, Musk, Putin, Epstein, etc).
For some reason thats always how it is.
Let me guess, its Pelosi and Biden that run the illuminati right? Maybe Obama?
Probably, I stopped listening after a while. But I do remember him being A Trump supporter for all the same reasons an edgy teen supported Trump in 2015. ‘But the Republicans were fighting against slavery’, like, yes bitch, group ideology changes over time. 🙄
For some reason thats always how it is.
I think it’s because the obvious answers aren’t interesting. A big thing for conspiracy theorists is that they are part of a group who knows the real story. It’s as much about feeling like they belong to something important and exciting as anything else.
It’s like the people who believe the apocalypse is coming soon. Well if the apocalypse happened 1000 years from now that would be pretty soon (a geological blink of an eye) but it wouldn’t be anywhere near to falling within the lifespan of the believers. That doesn’t work! These people need to feel special, to feel important, to believe their life is meaningful for no other reason than to be alive when an important event happens.
Totally. Ive noticed a pattern with these kooks (much like fox news viewers) they almost always have no control over their life and very little money. So they turn to conspiracies and being a victim so to them their life situation makes sense.
That’s a really good point too. Belief in conspiracies and other junk beliefs can be a surrogate for agency.
Because that’s not a conspiracy theory.
It’s real and backed by facts. Can’t feel smug with facts everyone knows I guess.
I’m going to take a different stance to a lot of the posters here.
Your friend may be showing signs of undiagnosed mental illness.
If you value him, listen to him and confront him when he has broken away from reality. But don’t argue with him. Be firm in your disagreements but don’t argue.
Be supportive of him if you can. Make sure he has a support network (parents siblings others)
Sometimes mental illness does not manifest until early adulthood.
Know your limits. Care for yourself.
Seconded. The friend is likely going through a mental illness.
While the conclusion of it being replaced with an LED is obviously not what happened, I think it’s very possible that the sun was often orange for him when he was growing up, because of air pollution.
30 years ago, depending on where you lived, there were more cars on the road with less efficient fuel consumption, more people using fireplaces, more people burning trash, less regulation of various industries etc. Searching for images with the phrase “smoke pollution sun” will give you a lot of photos of orange suns, and they’re definitely not all altered for effect. I’ve seen red suns in real life too when wildfires are really bad near my area even though that’s thankfully rare.
We know not the sun itself that is orange, but in a polluted environment it certainly looks like it is - and if you don’t get a great education, I can see how you might think that’s the actual color of the sun.
30+ years ago skies used to be silver in cities from smog. Going across the mountains into Los Angeles could be like going to a different planet.
I mean same for photography, tv, film and even artistic renderings. They probably consumed a lot of media and can draw parallels and contrasts just from those.
This makes some sense. Clearly the friend is a bit of a conspiracy theorist, or trolling. There’s a decent chance they are younger too. That being said you’re the only person with a reasonable feasible explanation that might get through to the friend.
I’ve never considered the colour of the sun. I’m going to get my telescope out and have a look later today!
Careful of your eyes! I’m pretty sure you need a special filter or telescope for the sun
Nah it’ll be fine Ill just have a quick peek!
This person is either at least mildly psychotic or fucking with you. It’s wild that people are down here in the comments offering evidence when the entire concept is entirely absurd. This isn’t an age or intelligence or experience thing this is a “this person is unhinged, don’t interact” situation.
Science went from researching medicine and technology, to desperately trying to disprove all the shit dumb people posted on Facebook, like that the earth is flat etc.
Your friend is a fucking idiot.
sun… LED…
Yeah your friend is an absolute idiot and should ask for his money back from his elementary school
The sun has been around for billions of years and pretty much hasn’t changed color since. Thinking you can “replace” the sun’s “LED” makes me wonder if he is experiencing mental illness, honestly
Your friend has fallen down a far-right conspiracy theory rabbit hole. Sorry for your loss.
not even necessarily far-right, i jnow plenty of leftists/liberals that are dumb as fuck and believe in horoscopes and other stupid shit like that
Down votes are funny here. You are 100% correct, Idiots exist on all polical compass points.
That’s like saying heat exists everywhere in the solar system. Yes, it’s true, but it paints a mildly inaccurate picture.
Not sure where the inaccuracy is. I lean left politically but I see just as many idiots on this side as the other side. Think about raw milk, vaccines, etc. The whack jobs were more on the left than right though there were both.
White LEDs are categorically not 30 year old tech, even if the rest of this theory wasn’t gunpowder caliber guano.
“Gunpowder caliber guano” is an absolutely amazing way to call something batshit insane and I will be taking every available opportunity to use it in conversation from now on.
That’s why it used to be not orange, obviously.
It was in 1993.
I’m stupid because I’m younger than him and vaccinated.
Your friend is not for taking seriously.
I was 10 years old 30 years ago and the sun was exactly the same then as it is now.
Your friend is an idiot.
Everyone knows the sun was not replaced with a giant LED.
LEDs give no heat. It was replaced with a giant halogen bulb.
LEDs produce about half their input energy in heat, with the other half being light. Incandescent bulbs output about 90% as heat and 10% as light.
This can vary a lot depending on the LED. The average LED is indeed somewhere around the 50% and 60% mark. But there are LEDs out there that can get up to 90+%
The highest I’m seeing for wall-plug efficiency (i.e. the percentage of the consumed electricity that’s released as light rather than heat) is 83.2%, and that’s for red LEDs. For anything you’d want to use for general-purpose lighting, the number is much lower.
Yeah wall plug efficiency is much harder since you need to do the power conversion as well, in a small and cheap way for mass production. I’d assume they have a specialized power supply for the big LED in the sky?
There are super efficient LEDs used in flashlights, the lumen per watt figures these days are absolutely crazy.
Flashlights are actually where wall-plug efficiency matters most, because nicer flashlights are limited almost entirely by heat. Even if we got to 98% efficiency, going from there to 99% would nearly double the brightness that you could fit in a given size.
Power input isn’t a problem at all, by contrast. A tabless 21700 can do 70A continuously without breaking a sweat, which is over 250W, and that’s with a 5Ah cell, which is plenty of capacity. A 6Ah cell can do about 10A, and that’s plenty for basically any single-cell light out there.
That’s not a friend. Friendship is between approximate equals and requires respect and trust. He does not trust or respect you. He looks down on you for your age and ignores your valid arguments because of it. If you have any choice in the matter, get away from this person and find people who, even if they disagree, will do so from a place of reason and respect. Do not be fooled into thinking someone is a ‘friend’ just because you interact with them regularly.
