• ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml
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      There’s an extension that lets you do that. Once a week it breaks and makes icons appear over other windows.

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    I really don’t want online accounts integration in my DE though. I must admit that I fail to see what good that could do.

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      I must admit that I fail to see what good that could do.

      In theory the one place where you can enter your Nextcloud or whatever credentials and syncing for calendar, mails, file storage ect. happens automatically everywhere after confirming which services should connect.

      It’s not my personal must have feature but when it works, it’s alright.

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    I like Gnome. I like KDE, too. I actually think they’re both great, in their own ways, but I personally prefer Gnome.

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    Is it really most popular?

    It’s not more stable than plasma surely, at least when user does any customization.

    Simplicity is questionable, unless simple means ‘unlearn everything and do it our way’.

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      Forget opinions, just look at the most popular distros, which one do they ship with by default?

      I prefer Gnome’s UX/UI, but I use KDE because they are faster to implement gaming related stuff.

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      For a long time it was. KDE kind of exploded themselves back around version 4. GNOME made huge inroads while the KDE Dev team’s got their shit sorted. Main DE to the flagship general user distribution etc. It’s just a fact. And not gonna lie I still have fond memories of GNOME 2.

      But the KDE team really put their time in and cooked. It isn’t perfect. But the over all polish shows. Not to mention its been snowballing lately. I have my whole family on plasma 6 right now. It’s familiar as it needs to be, stable and mostly intuitive. It’s just so good. In fact my only gripe right now is a niche Wayland issue and not DE related.

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        The recent evolution is great and I’ve been a happy KDE user for many years, but my oh my is NetworkManager bad. It’s not good on all systems that use it under the hood, but I find it especially unintuitive and so outdated. The applet thing is fine (still suffers from weird behaviour from NM’s core), but actual settings screen drives me crazy… The Bluetooth one should also receive some love, but it’s decent. NM needs serious revision.

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        I just randomly tried KDE recently and made the swap from Linux Mint to Kubuntu a week ago. Definitely agree on the polish factor, everything just feels great with KDE and I’ve been pretty happy

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        Meh, plasma was stable enough by 4.4 (when I’ve switched from gnome 2), there were some problems, but gnome 3 released about that time wasn’t any better. I’m not sure about popularity of gnome, it was repeated a lot but personally I’ve met one person to this day that used vanilla gnome 3/4/5/50 not representative of course but it’s just weird that supposedly everyone is running it yet among the category of people that linux is most popular with it doesn’t show.

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          Gnome lost a lot of popularity with Gnome shell, and for good reason. Gnome made the same mistake Microsoft did with Windows 8, which was also universally hated. By the same mistake I mean they changed EVERYTHING!

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            And unlike Windows, they didn’t backtrack on it. Instead, they doubled down and said, “You’ll use your computer our way, and you’ll like it!”

            IMO, the whole interface is a mess. It’s designed as if it’s supposed to be a tablet/moblie first DE, but the actual tablet/mobile features (like on-screen keyboard) are kind of crap. Everything about it seems to be designed with aesthetics first, functionality last.

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          Sure. But the first few releases unfortunately weren’t. And you gotta be conscious of projecting your experiences onto others. I mean I sure do lol. Techy people don’t mind experimenting and putting in a bit of work. But the normie’s do. For nearly a decade Ubuntu and GNOME was what was recommended/used.

          Oh sure, there’s kubuntu which isn’t their flagship or similarly supported. So you would run into edge cases and lack of polish on the distro side. There was so much inertia for a while most major distros flagship was GNOME out of the box. Even if KDE, Mate, Budgie, or Cinnamon were avalible from repos or community maintained forks. Your vanilla user was always going to go with the defaults.

          I didn’t like it and haven’t touched gnome in years and Ubuntu even longer. But I’m definitely not a Normy.

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            Ah, right, Ubuntu uses gnome
            I’m still stuck with unity in my head, because their gnome got modified to look that way - at least it was quite a few years ago, when I used it somewhere

            I also thought, that currently KDE is more popular

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      yea, gnome is “more popular”. doesn’t mean it’s “better”, just that it’s the default environment for some of the most widely-used distributions.

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        yea, gnome is “more popular”. doesn’t mean it’s “better”, just that it’s the default environment for some of the most widely-used distributions.

        But not SteamOS which has the numbers on its side. Not that Gnome is unpopular but Steam Deck single-handedly pulled in millions of users who at least occasionally switch from game mode to desktop mode (=Plasma) to install emulators and stuff.

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            I’m not sure there are more Steam OS installs than RHEL/SUSE/Ubuntu installs.

            Of course not, if you phrase it like that. According to your phrasing non-desktop container setups also count but they don’t.

            Distributions like Ubuntu also ship Plasma. The preconfigured disk image is called Kubuntu but that’s still Ubuntu and counts as that in Steam’s surveys which I consider the most reliable source of what actual GUI Linux users actually use.

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              Couple things there are many computer users that don’t play games like for example me.

              Enterprise Linux is not the same as a container and Gnome is flagship for all three of those enterprise flavors.

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    This must be about Gnome 2.8 when Gnome indeed was by far the most popular desktop environment on Linux.
    And then Gnome 2.8 was deprecated and no longer maintained, and for years after Gnome Shell was complete and utter shit.
    IMO it still is, because they have changed fundamentals like how virtual desktops work, that disrupt my workflow.

    I agree Gnome is more elegant, but that’s irrelevant when key fundamentals simply don’t work anymore.

    So to get the desktop I like to actually use, I use KDE instead.

    Edit: Final release was 2.32 as u/esc correctly writes below.

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        You are right, I just remember it as using 2.8 for an extended period of time. But looking it up, 2.8 was a milestone from 2004, and 2.32 was the final release.

        I switched to Linux as my main OS in 2005. So I probably started on 2.8.

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    Heh. My Linux started with Ubuntu like many others. I appreciated GNOME.

    Then I got confident enough to distro hop and with that cam DE hop. Can’t deny KCD is just so much better for the kind of user I am.

    It’s just kinda nice having your computer do what you want it to do, ya know?

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      I was going to mention that there’s probably a lot of people who don’t know what e621 is, but then I remembered what community I was in.

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      The GNOME workflow works for me. I tried KDE recently and found I kept trying to make it like GNOME and kept failing. I do miss OpenBox, though… I’m tempted to try some Quick Shell set up using labwc.