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Sucks that you had to be a Trump supporting racist, Mr. Scott Adams.
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He also noted that “If nearly half of all Blacks are not OK with white people,” then they should be called a “hate group.” His remarks were widely seen as racist—Adams claimed that he was being hyperbolic—and many newspapers dropped Dilbert.
Wow. Scott adams was a cunt. I just searched why y’all are celebrating his death, and I found this. Just… wow.
I was going to suggest looking up some of the earlier comics depicting black people, but those were the Dennis the Menace comics I was thinking of.
You should look those up anyways, though. They’re pretty bad.
Scott Adams is dead! I didn’t know. He died in January of this year. A shitty fucking person with a horrible world view is no longer putting content on the internet. Happy to learn this.
(I liked Dilbert as a kid and owned a couple of his non-Dilbert books. It’s sad how he went full-rightwing-nuttter later in life.)
The non dilbert books spoke to me as an edgy teen who was smarter than most people and dumber than she thought. As an adult though I look back and think about the sheer lack of wisdom and introspection it must take to write such things as a grown adult. He died as he lived, as wise as a 16 year old and angry that everyone else didn’t see the light of his brilliance that he so vividly hallucinated. And I think that is how he fell down the right wing rabbit hole, he lacked the self awareness to see through his biases and was deeply drawn to a certain type of men who are overconfident assholes.
But yeah I liked dilbert as a kid too
I will take this opportunity to recommend a podcast ep about him from the QAA podcast:
https://soundcloud.com/qanonanonymous/episode-43-scott-adams
I hope I found the right ep. The ep number is so low that it makes me wonder if the one I wanted was a later ep? Too many total to go through and verify.)
And Behind the Bastards:
He became pretty unhinged later in life. He put some bizarre content into the world.
i liked god’s debris but yeah i think if i read it now 20 years later may be a little cringy
And it’s fair, it’s ok to like cringy novels so long as they aren’t Ayn Rand. /hj But yeah, I totally get how an edgy atheist novel would appeal ro people in the 00s. Adams was really good, especially early on, at making people feel like they were one of the only smart people in a world of idiots. It’s just that when you embrace that feeling too hard you open yourself up to becoming a nutjob crank who believes everything they think, which is what he did.
If you hate the hater, you become one of them. Just look at him as a person who was confused.
Nah, he knew what he was doing.
Hating right wing lunacy doesn’t make you one of them.
What? That doesn’t even make sense. Being shitty makes you shitty, not thinking it’s shitty to be shitty.
You’re essentially sweeping all negative behavior under the rug of “confusion”.
Yes, he was wrong. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t also shitty.
I liked dilbert a lot before knowing that the author is like that.
Is a pitty how you can’t enjoy nothing without the author ruining it anymore.
Don’t feel bad. I decided to play ATV Offroad Fury 2 a few months back. I was thoroughly enjoying the soundtrack and decided to google what band made “Shinobi vs Dragon Ninja” since it was my favorite song on the soundtrack.
Oh a band named the Lostprophets. Oh the lead singer Ian Watkins was murdered in prison. Wait why was he in prison? OH… oh no.
Don’t google your heros kids.
According to a quick google search, he tried to rape a baby.
Like that’s something I’d joke about someone doing when sarcastically branding them evil… But no he actually tried to rape an infant.
What the fuck?
Fuuuuck, I forgot how much I like that song and how I knew all that already. Damn. There’s been several bands and singers over the years I’ve had to forget. I’m not very good at separating art and artist.
I used to also enjoy burn-burn by them but now it makes my skin crawl every time i see a trackname of theirs
One of the (arguably) greatest poets of the 20th century, Ezra Pound, was an unrepentant fascist. His family tried to have him declared insane in order to preserve his reputation.
A few modern poets were. William Butler Yeats is another I know of. His image is somewhat sanitized because he’s an important national poet for Ireland, but he was a rich asshole who was supportive of the fascist movements in Ireland (Blueshirts) and abroad (Francoist Spain). Similar (but less overt) is T. S. Eliot, who also became sympathetic to fascism later in life.
I feel that way about a lot of creatives.
The content can be good when the person is a shitcake.
Actors, musicians, artists and writers. Every medium has loads of public and secret assholes.
Ignorance is bliss when you’re not paying for it.
Yeah I hear ya, I was a huge Ren & Stimpy fan growing up.
Oh no. Not sure I want to look up what he did.
Not as bad as the Lost Prophets guy but it ain’t good.
Yes same here. Fucking Scott Adams man.
Scott Adams was an asshole and a lunatic long before Trumpism made it mainstream.
he was ahead of the curve for like solid 15 years at minimum.
Also wasn’t walt disney like even shittier? How is mickey mouse surprised by this?
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No not really actually. The general idea of walt being a racist and anti Jewish is generally over blown.
Don’t get me wrong he was in fact racist. But he was culturally racist. He was a man of his time. Politically and publicly he was honestly what ever.
He was far too focused on his business. And a lot of the more overt racist things that he gets accused of tends to just be from those who he worked around and because of his business would have been supporting. But it was more a byproduct of just running a successful business of the time. Not so much him going out of his way to be racist.
Like you have to really judge things by the culture of the era. What was honestly a very mild 5 out of 10 all things considered. Sure, he could have been better but be sure the f*** wasn’t overly problematic. Lot of his contemporaries business partners were far worse and used their influence as well as Walt himself to exert a number of problem. Things which of course won’t being more focused on his business and not really caring one way or the other just let happen so you can lay some blame in his feet.
But on the flip side you also have to consider things like song of the South. Where it’s a very problematic film and clearly comes from an error of extreme racism and slavery. The focus was on Walt trying to share stories that he heard growing up and sharing the positive side of those stories. Yeah they’re from slaves and you can’t divorce that. So it’s well-meaning just aged poorly.
Cuz by today’s standards it’s horribly whitewashed and incredibly racist. But back then all things considered when you put it in the context of the era and the man who LED it, it’s a honest attempt to do better and share positivity out of something that was horrifically toxic.
Really every time I’ve ever done a deep dive into Walt’s life or his history the same few things come up over and over and over again. Pretty much every major racist, anti-jewish or other problematic thing that people lay at the feet of Walt just comes down to the simple fact. He just didn’t care.
He had a business to run. His partners were far worse than him and he just let them do whatever he never stood up and said this is too far because that would have been a bad business move in the era.
Malt is a fantastic example of the cruelty of indifference and capitalism. The business world does not care for morals. It does not care for people. It only cares for money and progress.
Oh he cared alright, about fingering anyone who tried to unionize as communists, ruining their lives and blacklisting them. He ruined people who were not even communist because they cost him money. He was absolutely a garbage human being.
So you’re saying mickey would be indifferent?
Mickey would be more put-off by the cursing than the racism. “Hohoh call him a Chinaman, sure, but there’s no need to use the F-word!”
Disney, racist? No, no, whatever gave you that idea?
I remember back in the early 90s our sysadmin would grab Dilbert comics from (I think) USENET and print them on our HP laser printer. Adams built up so much goodwill only to shit all over it in the end.
This seems relevant
I can’t find the comic, but the one where Dogbert said “No expensive funeral; just wrap him up in newspapers. He would have wanted it that way.” seems especially appropriate.
Dilbert was never funny anyway. Fight me about it.
Fighting takes too much energy. It was never a witty comic, but it would resonate with you when you were in the office job that had a nepo boss making random decisions. The life of the comic was just the same joke said in a thousand different ways though, which is why we can now look at it and mentally shrug.
Boss: I hav a nu idea
Gilbert: No don’t u realize how stoopid that
Boss: oh well I stil say do
Garfeel: oh boy Monday… NOT
I don’t actually want to fight.
But when it first came out, it fit right in with Dave Barry and Milton, etc. If you were working just to get a paycheck, you could relate. The overuse of sarcasm could be overlooked bc it only happened once a week.
It never grew or evolved with the times, mirroring Adams.
That’s it, we’re gonna fight now
It did add a bald CEO in later years, but that’s about it.
Okay: it criticized the corporate bullshit machine, how it promotes short-term thinking, and how it turns hopeful, creative people into burned out cynics. Yes, it had flaws, it overused the “work, amiright” trope and it liked to kick downwards, for instance. But at its core it was a sarcastic criticism of capitalism and our broken society that resonated with lots of people. Even if it never spelled such things out.
Doesn’t excuse the author being a racist asshole, of course.
Fight me, 1v1 on dust 2 deagle only
I said it wasn’t funny, not that it had chosen a bad target.
The most boring comic in the Sunday paper.
I didn’t know we were talking about Family Circus or Nancy.
uh okay i guess. since you staked out my position though, i’m gonna have to pick something ridiculous like scott adams character the pointy eared boss was inspired by an interaction that adams had with a mirror while on mescaline
Have my up vote. Never cared for it one bit.
He also invented a vegan burrito called the Dilberito that was somewhat questionable
“As for Adams, he left the world of food behind, considering the Dilberito a failure, a lesson to be learned. Adams would later describe the nutritional value of the burrito as such: ‘Three bites of the Dilberito made you fart so hard your intestines formed a tail.’”
Wait, why is Kermit here? Is there a dark part to Jim Henson?
No, I believe it’s just other characters whose original creators are dead offering commiseration.
Oh, phew. I was worried, Henson was awesome.
I think it’s just that the characters’ creators are all dead.
FYI, Goku is a chinaman in some sense. In that the original manga is based on “Journey to the West,” which is a Chinese story.
Top 10 character assassinations.
Dilbert wasn’t like that.
No, his racism was more subtle and hidden in smugness.
The Indian intern was depicted positively at least. Albiet shy and anxious.
Bikes rock and trump sucks.
My idea of the image is that people like Disney or Toriyama were openly racist (and horrible) and shown it in their cartoons, the diference is they were really successfull P.s: Dont know why’s Kermit there
Toriyama was racist?
And still not counting about women and homosexual characters, Toriyama was an edgy drawer in retrospectivePopo was based on Jinns or genies. Staff Officer Black, yes that’s his name, comes more from the Japanese getting a lot of Jim Crow era cartoons, but not knowing the historic baggage that comes along with it. It was mostly considered a racial caricature that didn’t really carry the same sort of hate we know it for in America. He also had Native America caricatures that most people don’t seem to have an issue with.
Honestly, I wouldn’t be looking to Toriyama for anything other then “Big Guy punches other Big Guy until one goes down”. He’s politically naive, not hateful. There’s a short list of other manga-ka who’s politics and… crimes should give you more concern. How Nobuhiro Watsuki is a free man bogus my mind.
I think Mr. Popo is based on a figure or yokai Japanese Folklore, but I’m not defending Black.
No really the guy on the right is named Commander Black.
