If LLMs used very little RAM and processing power, was light weight even for Mythos or Sol, would people be as opposed? Like no data centers, no memory shortages, like it was able to run on a calculator with the same performance.
The resources used are but one of the problems with the modern uses of AI. Others include:
- Copyright and privacy. AI companies use copyrighted content and private data to train their models. Many companies have terms or user agreements that give them permission to use or sell any data on their systems. They collect data where they can, without regard for ownership, copyright or privacy.
- Fakes. We cannot trust what we see or read. Of course fake news and misinformation has been a problem for years, but genAI has turbocharged it, and now even video is becoming unreliable. We cannot trust anything anymore. Even appreciation of real art suffers because artists get accused of using AI even when it was hand made. Although the impact on politics is the biggest threat.
- Companies force employees to use it, even when employees don’t want it and it hurts the quality of their work. AI is often used as an excuse to fire people.
- The AI bubble dominates the economy. This cannot end well.
There are also legitimate and useful ways to use AI, and many of them could be very valuable, but that’s not what the industry or society is focusing on right now.
AI would probably be more acceptable if all of these issues were addressed.
Absolutely not, I hope.
The impact on the minds and the constant push for the thing for all the wrong reasons are enough for me to keep hating it.
And they always add it to everything, even where is not needed/wanted. It is a cool tech marketed and implemented in a bad way.
Where I think the bulk of the hate comes from is less the tech, but more the political and business elite pushing this tech.
These people are going full mask off trying to delete those they deem the lower class, so much so they are blinded in how much they require people outside the LLMs to maintain society.
LLMs as they are now, are basically the Golden Calf scenario all over again; it is ungrateful people build a statue to claim superiority and mock that which put them in good places.
Yes. Cause the resource intensity isn’t the main problem people have with it.
It’s the theft.
It will always be resource intensive since companies are in a dick measuring contest of who can sink the most resources into it. If it was lighter they word simply do more of it
I think its hated because its about building dystopia. We see the datacenters coming up now that are the core infrastructure for global high tech dystopia and people still think it’s about chat bots.
History books will wonder why people didn’t stop it.
LLM the technology is interesting and impressive. the way companies are shoving it into everything and trying to sell it as a replacement for employees is awful. The way the AI companies are behaving is awful.
AI is great! it just needs a little work on the IP theft, the environmental impact, the dopamine addiction, the cornering of the component market, the reliability, the hidden system prompts, the non-determinism, the push to have everything in the cloud, the enshittification, the empowerment of the billionaires, the reduction in user’s cognitive abilities, the lack of real-world use cases, the reliability, the spying on humans intimate thoughts, the overblown marketing, the bubble impact on the world economy, and the reliability. Other than that, it’s just fine! Trust me, bro!
The same can be said about LITERALLY every technology ever made. Everything you listed is real, problems that need to be addressed, and the companies responsible for exacerbating them held accountable.
A technologies worst implementations are not representative of its usefulness.
Unless you want to ban the entire field of biology as well for the atrocities committed associated with it.
It’s great! Except for the several teen suicides
This is pretty much my thoughts as well. My unsolicited rant:
The technology is good and anyone who says it’s “just autocorrect” are wrong. Having said that, I agree that LLMs are useful really for nothing more than low-risk, personal research and/or signposting to other sources. It’s in no way a replacement for a human (unless your definition of what a human does is that it’s just a thing that produces words at you - in which case, you’re probably a middle manager - very myopic, regardless). It’s also not appropriate for anything financial, professional, or confidential. Here, the first L in LLM is a hindrance. Local, small language models are more appropriate and cost-effective here.
Anyway. I don’t “use AI” like some people but over the last year I’ve used my access to Proton’s Lumo (already included in my subscription) a handful of times and been pleased with the results. The way that I see it is that all the LLM libraries are trained almost entirely on Reddit or websites that stole their content from Reddit anyway, so use it like you would Reddit: “LGBT horror movies before 2000,” “Summarize and cite criticisms of Camille Paglia,” “Was Bioshock 2 well-received at launch?” All very low-stakes. Doesn’t really matter. Could’ve been a Reddit thread, but it’s likely that any response there would’ve been a middleman for an AI answer anyway.
Anyway. More: Call it cope but I’ve been developing a theory/outlook that the internet as a thing is basically dead and that the Pandora’s Box of LLM tech, which can produce a basically infinite amount of what was once the internet’s currency (read: information, but really: text), has killed it. The Fediverse is utopian but I don’t think anyone here really believes it will ever be anything more than a cluster of fringe communities. Having said that, I justify good LLM use (like mine, lucky that) as being the “New Game Plus” mode of the internet. Everything is already there, everything’s unlocked. There is no challenge. It’s kind of cheating and you’re not really supposed to play the game like that. But at the same time, there is no going back to the real beginning, I just have the option of nostalgically re-creating it by going to old.reddit or postfixing before:2022 to all my
GoogleDDG searches. Fun, and game-ish in it’s own right, but also artificially limiting for no reasons beyond that./rant
Could’ve been a Reddit thread, but it’s likely that any response there would’ve been a middleman for an AI answer anyway.
Except a large part of the reason that people used reddit is that you tended to get decent information. The big/good answers would often be some dude who is waay to into football having a 6 post page about who the GOAT player is.
Now, AI is basically so prolific, that a lot of what AI is being trained on…is other AI. Its slop badly reproducing slop, and the answers that AI gives you are either wrong, or are driven largely by somebody making 50 AI chatbots to swarm reddit with their opinion (or more often, to sell their product).
cluster of fringe communities
I was already sold on it, you don’t have to keep buttering me up on the idea.
When everything is so searchable and indexable, obscurity is almost a feature
The Fediverse is utopian but I don’t think anyone here really believes it will ever be anything more than a cluster of fringe communities.
A lot of people like it this way but I really don’t. What I wished happened during the last few reddit exodus was what happened back in around 2010 when digg users ran away to back-then-new reddit. The good thing about the fediverse is that people can actually choose instances they like that defedrates from content they don’t like. I’m a hypocrite if I say I don’t agree with that.
But somehow something must have changed with internet users between the digg-to-reddit exodus to newreddit-to-fediverse exoduses (weird that my auto-complete says this is the correct plural form) and not a lot of people want to contribute for making content. I’m pointing at myself as well so sometimes I do ponder why I don’t be the change I want.
Gist of it is I want reddit circa 2010-2015 on the threadiverse specifically (as I don’t use the micro-blogging side) but it’s having trouble attaining good people that are willing to contribute time and energy to make worthwhile content.
No because dead internet theory and it literally makes humans dumber.
Lower reading comprehension. Less able to write or even explain something.
Lower attention.
Lower proficiency in just about anything ai can do. Lower critical thinking.
There is a ton of research on this.
Ai also tells people they are always right and gives them bad advice. Sometimes fatal advice.
I think you are jumping to conclusions. Many of these things started happening before AI. This shit has been happening far longer than the past few 2-3 years.
Reading proficiency and critical thinking started their decline when tech was introduced in the classroom.
Now the constant affirmation of one’s thoughts and essentially echo chamber I can’t dispute.
Don’t get me wrong. I dislike AI and it’s proliferation into the world as much as the next person, but we can’t blame it on our societies failing schools or rather lack of true learning.
I’m not saying it’s all new problems.
Yeah you make a good point. Tech in the classrooms started the decline. Not to mention covid caused higher reliance on that tech.
And then primary schools have 1 teacher for 30 kids.
And they no longer hold kids back. Everyone passes rather they should or shouldn’t.
When I was a kid, the social shame of being held back was a strong motivator. Not just for the kid but the parents to put in more time making sure the kid caught up.
And then even after I finished, I heard that mandatory summer school was being used to get kids caught up.
But idk how common that is around the country.
But to come back to AI. There is a lot of research showing using llms literally reduces reading comprehension and critical thinking even in a short time of 1 semester.
Fair point. People don’t have to put in nearly as much effort to convey their point if they can use AI and say clean this up, make it more intelligible, etc.
Slop is still slop, and if it was cheaper and less intensive in those ways it would simply be producing way more slop.
Would be even more. The main harm of AI comes from malicious actors being able to ruin the internet forever with practically undetectable bot spam costing cents to run. Also taking jobs in art, where automation was never possible as efficiency is not what art is valued for.
Any good thing is ruined once it’s co-opted by capitalism.
AI and LLMs (In my very very personal and completely subjective opinion) is the coolest shit humanity has ever invented and under the right system would’ve been unanimously celebrated.
But noooooooo, capitalism had to go and fucking turn a miraculous tool for human creativity and knowledge into a relentless driver of layoffs, corporate slop and copyright theft because some greedy fucks want more money for themselves than they know what to do with.
But, well, that’s just, like, my opinion, man.The problem is it’s designed to bullshit you. Why would I trust a foundational problem?
My buddy works for the government in contracts and he’s mid level. Anyways he has like 5 people directly under him, and they’re younger, were low 40s they’re like upper 20s. He said sometimes he gets things written for multimillion dollar contracts that are fucking crazy because they use AI sometimes. He’s like “I don’t care if you do, but for the love of God read it once or twice”.
It’s also designed to eliminate your job and leave you for dead.
Yeah except the parasitic sociopathic class is already trying to find ways of getting rid of most of us from the for profit margins. Every employee takes money from the profit.
The main problem for me is that it’s so confident in it’s tone, like that idiot friend who just makes stuff up, but totally believes it. So there’s no clue (like you would get with a normal person) that the thing has no clue if what it just wrote is true or not. I could bear it more if it said “I’m not sure, but…” But then if did that then none of the idiot CEOs would buy it, so here we are…
It is functioning in similar vain to idol statues placating and validating the idolmaker. In fact, that’s my go to term for it because it’s ridiculous for they practically deify this tech.
These ‘AIs’ are still dependant on human input and human information (not knowledge) and the fact they follow a business model and not academical, means they are always seeking to earn a customer’s approval as opposed to teaching a student what they need to know.
Yes, because of the way its used, the way its presented, and how bad it is.
Different people would hate it for different reasons tho
The most common use for AI seems to be Nazi/Fascist/Republican propaganda. Basically anywhere you go is an endless number of bots pushing to defend neo-nazis, tell people that Trump totally isnt a pedophile, make posts about “If he had just complied he would have lived” etc etc etc.
The subset of people who recognize this, would hate AI because its really only good as a propaganda mill.
The next set would be because of the way its being pushed to replace workers, AI doesnt actually make the remaining workers jobs easier, and it doesnt do work more efficiently, its just another excuse to cut headcounts, make a shittier service and charge more for it.
Finally is because its A) Very often wrong and B) Being used to replace actual critical thinking.
Its a growing problem, especially in academia. Students are coming into college or high school with absolutely no idea how to do actual research, how to write a paper in a logical way, how to follow basic logic chains etc. And there is so much bad information being produced by AI now that its becoming harder and harder to find actual good information. For every doctor telling you to vaccinate kids, there are a dozen AI driven videos that have some person being confidently wrong about everything to do with vaccines.
Are there still students who didnt cheat their way through high school with AI? yes.
But they are becoming more and more rare.
And given how wrong AI usually is (AI is very good at being confidently wrong), this means that we have a whole generation growing up who cant tell the difference between “Measles can kill you if you dont get vaccinated” and “Shooting gay people is a fun weekend activity”
It would probably be hated even more as all of those points would be magnitudes higher in volume than they are today. It’s what is wanted by corporations, a cheap surveillance tool that closely monitors everyone to keep everyone in line. There are multiple dimensions to this issue. I think AI should have stayed in R&D for a while longer. It is so half baked, but unfortunately trusted as an “expert” by people who may not be familiar with hunting down primary trustworthy sources. Though that last point is nothing new. I think it should have never been used for things like scanning private/personal files or to accuse people of crimes they didn’t commit. These companies are buying their own bullshit and are trusting/betting on AI to reduce the most costly component of their company, the labor force. It’s all just smoke and mirrors though, always has been. It’s not like these things are gods among us, but they are sold that way. In the end, not matter what, with the current state of AI or if they were cheaper to use computationally, the bubble will burst. At least when that happens, maybe some of the left overs can be repurposed for actual useful things for society, but I don’t have my hopes up at the moment.
The trouble is that intellectual property laws are so far behind technology that there’s basically no way to implement this technology without fucking over the creators of IP.
I don’t understand why so many of the top comments omit this part
At work (big tech, ~100k employees) we had a panel about IP and AI. The guy presenting unironically said something along the lines of “it is of course a concern, but frankly it is something we will just ignore for now and see how the technology develops”
I took that as "we do not give a fuck if it creates AGI, and if it crashes and burns it will be the bankrupcy lawyer’s problem.
so, yea, most people do not care
