That’s why I advocate for fines and penalties scaled to income and net worth, both personal and corporate. If you’re poor you should still be able to eat after paying a speeding ticket, but if you’re a billionaire you should be knocked down a couple of million for the same offense.
but seriously though, notpayforfuel challenge sounds dope. That could lead to the zero carz society.
Something that actually works is buying farm diesel.
Until they break out a blacklight or dip your tank
This is true, but it is actually possible as opposed to somehow magically dispensing fuel from a pump without paying.
And they love to do that in rural areas.
Well, you can break out the black light and dip their tank, if you know what I mean
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If everybody did this, we would save so much money.
I would but I haven’t seen a gas station that lets you pump before paying in 30 years. They’ve all been post-pay since forever.
They can’t catch us all!!!
it’s real once you get up to oligarch level.
In that case the fee would be around three-fiddy and not $85 or almost 50%.
Just have a look at the most recent slap on Meta’s wrist for knowingly ruining countless lives of children and teenagers.Treefiddy? They’d need about Treefiddy? Now wait now, they’re not a 500 ft tall cryptid from the Paleozoic era now are they? God damit it’s the Loc Ness monster again. No Loc Ness monster I ain’t gonna give you damned treefiddy!
Surely the fine is in addition to also having to pay for the stolen fuel?
And not just the normal price, but usually with a factor of 2 or 3 involved.
In reality yes, hence the title
At scale, you just described the financial industry.
Or tech industry
Or capitalism
MAGA logic
That’s a of total!
This loophole will be corrected before anything JP Morgan currently gets away with a fine on.
It’s not really a loophole, because we haven’t issued fines at less than triple digits in decades.
- you can’t pump without paying/cc
Ok 85 usd, you still have a civil case incoming and they usually get treble aka 3x the price of what you clipped.
It depends on where you are, and “treble” is the word you want.
As opposed to bass?
Three types of damages are compensatory, punitive, and treble. Compensatory damages are the actual damages with which a plaintiff needs compensation. Punitive damages are issued to punish the behavior. Treble punishments add three times compensatory damages to further punish a defendant for outrageous actions.
Auto correct gets me every time.
And I agree it depends were you live, its mostly enforced on farms/livestock/crops.
Have you noticed how awful autocorrect has become? I remember back in Android 9 you had to try to make it get it wrong. Now it’s this and Apple has it just as bad.
Has anyone noticed that gum’s gotten mintier lately?
You’re ducking right, it was better in the days of You’re.
I noticed a big change when i moved to a FOSS keyboard for my phone.
That said, since I moved, it feels like I see more obv typos among others. Weird.
I’ve had a theory on autocorrect for years. Call me a conspiracy theorist or a nutter. But its all by design. They talk about writing “finger prints” I think auto correct catalogs our misspelling fingerprints. Our patterns
And yes its insanely bad at right click correcting, I have to do a search and it comes back 100%… Maybe by design?
My conspiracy theory regarding the enshittification of autocorrect is that they’re trying to make us all look & feel stupider until we finally accept it & incrementally lower our intellectual standards.
Thats possible and the more I think about it it makes sense.
I foresaw the iran war. I swapped to an EV about a week before prices doubled in my area. I keep doing the math, and ive saved about $300 – and it only cost me $7166!
How do people pump gas before paying?
It’s normal in the UK. Usually someone in the shop needs to see you, then they activate the pump, you pump what you need, then go in and pay. Some stations do have the option to pay at the pump, or via an app, but I’ve never seen one where you can’t pay afterwards.
This was how gas pumps worked everywhere when I started driving
I’m still pissed off at being treated like a thief every time I go to gas up because they started a forever war in the middle east which inflated the price of gas. Then they never brought the cost back down with the price per barrel AND kept the paying before pumping policy.
I’m 60, so me, too. But, I haven’t seen a pump or a station that allows pumping before paying in many, many years.
You hand over cash at the counter, and they turn on the pump. Or you pay at the pump--you need to put your card in before the pump will start.
It’s possible that some of the places that used to skip prepay were illegally taking the cost of a pump and run out of the pay of whoever was on register. I’ve never experienced it personally, but I’ve heard a lot of stories.
In my wanderings around the USA I’ve only encountered one pump that allowed pump before pay. At some obscure Nevada gas station in a little pass-through town in the middle of nowhere.
Depends where you live. I live in Australia, and there isn’t a single service station that makes you prepay where I love. You can just pump and pay at the end, always.
You make love in the gas station?
No elevators nearby
Yeah.
If you were a local they’d see you pull up and turn on the pump. If you weren’t you’d go inside and pay cash first, but it was inconvenient because it was harder to just fill the tank.
The mathematics I have to go through at fuel stations that don’t allow paying at the pump, gotta go inside and talk to the cashier, ugh.
Each tenth of my tank is 2.4 gallons, so if I’m at 4/10 and want to top off, (10-4)=6, so 6 x 2.4 = 14.4 gallons x price of fuel per gallon which is hovering around $6.90 lately (diesel in California), so I tell the cashier person I 'd like to purchase exactly $99.36 but gosh that’s so close to $100 let’s just round it to $100.
You can usually go back in and get change, or the balance refunded.
Well yeah but I still need to tell her a dollar amount. If I underestimate then my tank won’t get topped off. So I have to do the math.
How do you fill your tank without paying for more gas than you’re going to use?
In some gas stations you must pay beforehand, but in others you can pay afterwards so you can fill your tank.
How do you fill your tank without paying for more gas than you’re going to use?
you don’t pay for more than you use. I prepay $100 on my credit card, use $58 and I’m charged $58, the $100 was a security hold and is the most you can get.
In Germany that is the norm. You pay after pumping at the counter. Cashless automatic pumps that require a deposit are rare
Cashless automatic pumps that require a deposit are rare
But getting more common. The ED in Oberzissen now have one pump with a payment device and Oberzissen is in the back end of nowhere.
As an almost completely illiterate (in German) English person I prefer the pay at a counter thing because the usually pleasant person behind the counter can just accept the payment. This is good because getting a phone out to translate the instructions often results in an irate German shouting at you.
Weird I’ve never ran into any angry Germans shouting at me for translating things
Probably cos you haven’t been translating fuel pump instructions using a phone…
Which is, to be fair, the only place it has happened to me (hence i prefer counter service)
In most of northwest europe this is standard. Otherwise how do you know how much you need pay to fill the tank?
In Canada its an auto function of the payment system. You say you want $100 in gas. The card gets preauthorized for $100 to ensure the money is available then the pump starts. After you finish pumping and get only $80 in fuel that is what is actually charged to the card. The card is charged only after you finish pumping.
What if one only as cash?
Then you pay at the counter for the amount of gas you want to pump and if you overpay you go back to the counter and they give you back the difference.
That is definitely not true. There is no gas station here where you can do that anymore without having either signed in via an app or credit card.
It used to be like that, but that was a long time ago.
How do you pay before you know how much you need?
Pay the clerk. If you can’t fit x litres/gallons/whatevers, you go back to the clerk and they give you the remaining balance back.
Well these days credit cards have an authorization function where they can hold $50 or $100 and then when done can release the hold and charge you the proper amount.
And cash is rare enough that they don’t mind inconveniencing those people anymore.
In Europe it blocks €300. Fuel prices are high. Sometimes a payment doesn’t go through as it should and the remaining amount isn’t released. Then you get an article in the newspaper of someone complaining their couldn’t pay in the shop because 300 was blocked on their account. These things resolve themselves as the bank does a check automatically after a day or two but some folks get caught close to payday.
Credit cards? What’s that?
It’s a piece of plastic used in financial transactions, but that’s not important right now.
You mean like a debit card but worse?
Credit cards are more secure.
A debit card payment is settled immediately. A credit card payment is actually a small loan that’s settled at the end of the month. This goes back to the time that shops made a carbon copy of the card, fill in the amount and let the buyer sign it. That’s why the numbers were raised. Basically they were used as cheques.
Personally, I estimate. I have a quarter of a tank, I need 3/4 of a tank. That’s 9 gallons. Times $3.63 is $32.67. I get $30 on pump whatever
Standard procedure in Australia
not at Costco
That’s pretty standard some places. Or at least it used to be.
The same way that people get completely exonerated of a crime by paying a fine for missing their court date: they fucking don’t.
Its something u get in high trust society. This is the cost of soft on crime polices. In most places in Australia its just the norm. You fill up then go in and pay. I can see the downfall of my nation as they start introducing pay first.
That citation might have cost 85 dollars in 1981.
Can you even get gas without paying? Seem rare nowadays
How does it even work having to pay before? Cos in germany you pay afterwards. But lets say you fill up for 40 dollars; does the pump then automatically stop when 40 dollars are reached?
You can pay cash or card inside at the counter, tell the attendant how much you want to pay. The pump is then turned on and will pump until it reaches the amount you paid. So, yes, it turns off automatically.
The other option is to pay a the pump, you put your card in, enter your pin, and the pump turns on.
If paying with cash inside before pumping, yes. Then you basically guess how much you need and pay that.
With a card, you “pay” with the card first, but it doesn’t charge the money until after you finished pumping and it knows what to charge.
