Summary: Republicans are 50/50, everyone else is strongly opposed.
As an American, the fact that 25% are for it or indifferent is a shameful number…
We don’t have the right to judge we unleashed this evil pedofile on this planet
Why is this in !world@lemmy.world ?
I am tired of USAsians’ navel-gazing.
Most people : don’t do it
Government leaders: don’t do it
Business: don’t do it
Academics: don’t do it
All other countries and states in the world: don’t do it
Trump: I’m gonna do it.
It’s not only trump, that’s the sad thing. Trump is just a puppet, controlled by people behind the curtains. Look at this project 2025. There are plenty of powerful people who are pulling the strings of Trump and the next Republican candidate.
Long gone are the days when politicians were actually working for their voters. Now it is all about social media propaganda. And guess what, making education unaffordable works wonders for those people. They don’t want rational human beings, they just want easy to control and manipulate sheep.
“And just like that, everything changed. At that terrible moment, in our hearts, we knew. Home was a pen. Humanity, cattle.”
And the other 25% are straight up Nazis.
Don’t atribute malice where stupidity fits. It’s quite probable that a sizable chunk of those 25% didn’t even understood the question.
It says “…Of Americans”, so the optimist in me says “25% of people didn’t know about or answer the poll.”
Can the Lt ever find Greenland on a ma? Are people still falling for Lief Ericsson’s lies?
It’s worth looking at the framing of this. CNN asked, “Would you (favor) or (oppose) the U.S. attempting to take control of Greenland?” A poll from 4 days early found, when specifically asked about taking over Greenland by force, found it was a
86% support, 9% oppose.[86% oppose, 9% support] (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/86-percent-in-new-poll-against-us-taking-greenland-by-force/ar-AA1Udv9k). (I was very tired when I wrote this. Most Americans are very, very tired right now.)Trump has made several bids to buy Greenland, and I think most of the support in this poll is for that option. I think the majority of Americans really don’t believe he’ll send the military to Greenland and destroy the NATO alliance. They think this is a negotiating tactic, and they are seriously mistaken.
86% opposed
Thanks for the other poll. :) But in your link, you have confused “oppose” and “support”. :)
OMG, yes, thank you, that was a pretty big typo.
that number should be 100%
It practically is. There’s no reason any sane citizen with no stake would be for going to war against a peaceful ally. It’s all smoke and mirrors.
So. No one will talk about the 48% of Americans that are okay with abducting the President in charge of a sovereign country so rich Americans could snatch them away their oil?
Yes, foreigners, if you go to the USA, apparently that’s a hot topic.
Be honest if aliens from space showed up and just abducted Trump and put him into space prison, how angry would you be about that?
70% of Americans approve of higher minimum wage and universal health care, too.
It doesn’t matter.
That means there has to be an overlap of millions of Americans who want this but still voted Trump. Does their stupidity know no bounds?
There’s a metric fuckton of Americans who would resurrect Hitler and the entire 3rd Reich before they willingly voted for a woman… let alone a brown woman… it’s ridiculous.
There’s a metric fuckton
I only do freedom units! /jk
Btw is that about 100 adult badgers?More like a hundred thousand large hamster wheels!
obama broke the minds of republicans and any people that dont like “blacks” that arnt republican voters for the sake of where they live in a blue area.
Which is why it is so strange to see the a female candidate pander to those voters. Plenty of stupidity to go around.
a woman isnt going to win either way if she dint, usa voters quite mysogynistic in various degree, you got the right wingers that are openly mysogynistics, but also the cloested ones that cant come out and say they dont really like woman.
The closeted ones may still vote for a woman just to say they aren’t part of the problem, like they did with Obama. But the candidate has to sell change, they aren’t going to vote for the same policies but advanced by someone who doesn’t look like them.
higher minimum wage and universal health care
Yet when you mention these, 70% of muricans’ Pavlovian brains will yell Communist!.
75% is an awfully low number.
25% of people being propagandised beyond reason is a high number, yes.
Truthfully at this point I’m satisfied that 15% aren’t undecided on the issue
Hitting 75% agreement in US politics is honestly unusual today, so I think it’s a good sign that Trump has domestic opposition on this one
Unusual? “Breathing” would struggle to break 60%. 75% is functionally unanimous.
Not in US politics. If you have 51% of votes of whoever is The Party at the moment, you can make decisions without others impeding on them.
If one party got 51 % of votes, then that means 26,01 % of all votes is enough to decide about the all of the country’s things alone.
Domestic opposition doesn’t mean shit if they don’t do anything about it.
One interesting point in the article you posted rather than OP’s is that according to Ipsos only 17% of Americans approve of taking Greenland. I have no clue what the truth is but that number ‘feels’ a little more accurate.
In short that would mean 17% of Americans are ride or die MAGA which sadly is a believable number.
Do keep in mind there usually is a “I don’t know” option. So both numbers can be true.
Note that violent means only had 4%. So 13% wouldn’t mind a peaceful purchase. Which is still dumb but at least not as outright insane as Stephen Miller would go.
You’ll excuse me if I don’t put much stock in the promises of Republican lawmakers. Particularly Murkowski.
Ask yourself, honestly, what will they do when push comes to shove?
I didn’t know if that’s “doing” anytime. It’s all rhetoric.
They also said all sorts of stuff about curbing his actions in Venezuela but when it came time to vote they couldn’t even get it to need a veto.
Maybe violating European sovereignty is a bridge enough to actually pass something, but I expect them to just let the veto happen
To be fair, all Trump has done on this is espew rhetoric also
Didn’t Trump pass an internet privacy bill in his first term with like 7% approval? Wasn’t his first Healthcare plan also around that approval, though that didn’t pass. Isn’t national background checks for gun sales at like 95%? Why do people think their opinion matters?
I think these polls are good to put our opinions on the public record.
Yeah, but they also make it clear to the world that we don’t live in a democracy. Especially when we go around trying to spread it around the world.
25% is a huge tipping point for social dynamics.
If he loses just a little more support the whole MAGA movement will begin to unravel.
You could probably poll 10,000 random Americans and find about 25% that would be in favor of eating lightbulbs and severing diplomatic ties with the magical land of Oz. That bottom 25% of Americans has got some real issues.
People are made vulnerable to their idol going haywire - by the need to rationalize having supported him. Thus the 50% of Republicans who bluescreened with “great leader always correct”. If they have time to read up on the issue, it will drop a bit.
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making big assumptions here
“They did not choose to read up on the issue.”
-Narrator
Polls are the most reliable way to be disappointed in humanity.
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No, it really isn’t.
25% of Americans being in favour of invading a NATO country without provocation is insane levels of crazy
OP’s poll doesn’t say anything about military action. It just asks whether the US should try to acquire Greenland.
The Qunnipiac poll shows that when the question explicitly includes military action, opposition is 86%: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-voters-widely-opposed-taking-greenland-military-force/story?id=129280864
If only ONE of those 75% was Trump.
Too bad most of them elected a dictator.
Not really a facts based dig, it’s not as if America has highly democratic elections or a system that actually wants people to vote
More likely: 50% of Republicans are still waiting for instructions what to think.
Yeah! We need to take Greenland because checks notes that’s where fentanyl comes from and without it we will get more brown people!
Seriously brown people are all the argument they need. The racism is insane with the party. Maybe they can say that Greenland is being invaded by tren de aragua and we need to bring ice there to improve our community. It’s the same logic we already have right? As in, devoid of it.
Fent is just powdered Lego
Trump is probably on a personal Vendetta against Denmark because he stepped on a LEGO brick in some girls room at Epsteins place.
In truth he is in hoc to Putin, Putin wants Nato to die. The president of the US does not have the juice to pull us out of Nato direct, but they figure they can whip up nationalistic furor to imperial expansion to kill it.
Inuits are pretty brown.
*on what to believe. Thinking is hard.
stand back and stand by
They’re not looking very hard then, because republican leadership and propaganda machines have been peddling that thought for months.
Will they oppose it though? Or just sit on their arses and do nothing?
No, they want to be thanked for their service and be good bootlickers
no, through decades of propaganda they have been conditions either to think nothing will happen or something will “EVENTUALly” put a stop to it. thats why the protests if you call it that are largely ineffective, only a small portion of people are doing it.
As we’ve been seeing, mostly the latter.
He’s already ripped apart the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments at least and no one seems to care, not even the military, who are supposed to defend it.Few elected officials seem to care, but plenty of ordinary people are waking up to the fact that political power is not something you can give away in a vote, it’s something you have to take.
Jesus Christ I had some hints that Republicans would be coming to their senses, but fucking 50/50?!? These people are fucking lost, too far gone. They are beyond normal legal or democratic avenues. This is a violent, fascist authoritarian cult, and they need to be stopped.
If they don’t change their minds when their country threatens real hostilities against former allies, then they will not be swayed by anything except force, combined with real, uncompromising economic destruction.
Americans will need a general strike and armed protests at this point.
They love authoritarianism, more than they love other people, democracy, anything. There’s a certain amount of neural wiring involved, as people lean into it, their amygdala grows larger and their fear of “others” and “chaos” intensifies.
When I saw my mom posting a fundraiser for the Ice murderer’s family last week, I realized a cop could beat me to death in front of her, and she’d tend to his bruised knuckles in apology. That was the very last straw, I don’t know her anymore.
Yeah David Frum famously wrote “If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”
He’s a former neocon Bush speechwriter and an ardent anti-Trumper. He would know.
I’ve seen enough of the die hard maga folks talk that I see why authoritarianism appeals. It’s annoying to think and if someone just simplifies the world for them, they find that much more appealing.
To scrutinize the actions of their leader is just too much work, so they just slip into the comfortable position of “this is my guy, I agree with whatever he says, even if I were to be even vaguely at odds with him, is just because he is better than me and accepting whatever is just the right call”
there was brain scan study to confirm this a while ago, the amgydala is larger on average compared to non-conservatives.
What happens if you change political party then?
Some say their amygdala grew three sizes that day.
I imagine your opinions have shifted and therefore your brain is already literally changing by the time you drop the party.
i wonder if it does if they “saw the error of the ways” voted a “left” party, does it shrink or does it stay hypertrophied?
That’s the distrust I think about every day, too. That so many would sell their families out for nothing.
Alternative perspective, for what it’s worth:
50/50 is actually comparatively huge. Considering everything else has been 90/10.
The first departure from your god-king is always the hardest. I expect for many, this is the first break, and will make any subsequent break mentally easier.
Also keep in mind that people who identify/lean Republican has taken a little more than a 10% haircut since January 2025. Any “republicans say” is an increasingly smaller subset of the total voting population… getting more concentratedly nuts as they boil off the more rational ones. Even with this more concentrated version of Republicans, it’s STILL not popular.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not GREAT… but there is a trend line. It’s not moving as fast as it should, but it IS moving.
There are some positive signs, with some MAGAs turning on Trump over Epstein, his warmongering, and possbily over Greenland.
However, the pessimist in me expects that they’ll get re-educated by Joe Rogan and FOX News soon enough, into understanding the absolute necessity of putting nukes and ICBM interceptors on Greenland.
USA already has a nuke on Greenland.. Granted, they’ve lost it, partly because they had a period where they seemed to think of nukes as little more than toys…
i dont see that trend, they are all in it or not. its a zero sum for them. “all the rational ones are likely remaining quiet while still supporting maga on the issue or in the maga-sphere already.”
You don’t see the trend? You mean you haven’t seen the aggregate survey data showing the trend? Or are you saying in your personal encounters, you haven’t observed any change?
and they need to be stopped.
A full-on embargo would be nice, and ironic.
The caveat being a whole lotta world depends on AWS and such.It’s not even former allies. Denmark is a current ally according to treaties that are signed into US law. Sure the US is effectively no longer part of NATO but all of the official reasons for invading Greenland could be accomplished by Trump admitting some agreements made by past Presidents were actually good.
This is all because one deranged old child molester wants to put his name on the map and a whole bunch of people are too gutless to admit that’s what’s going on.
Republicans have come to their senses. They’re not in denial anymore, they realized they’re evil and they love it.
I’ll be generous for a second and presume that the vast majority of Magas are racist but not directly evil, so to speak, just naive, dumb, and brainwashed by decades of poor education and fox news
Either way, once this is over I’d happily vote for taking away voting rights from anyone Republican. Not for being evil, but for being too dumb to be able to vote
I disagree. Anyone should be allowed to vote. But I’d happily support mandatory civics classes to be able to do so, where you actually have to pass to get your voter registration number.
The problem is such tests always become politicized.
Anyone should be allowed to vote.
have to pass to get your voter registration number.So not anyone, got it.
Hey look, the “civics” lessons in the South are oddly favoring conservative talking points…
Historically tests for voting competency have not been to ensure educated voters, but to disenfranchise groups. You don’t want to open that door.
25% of Americans are perfectly fine with the US just taking over independent countries. 75% oppose but only if they don’t have to do anything other than answer a poll.
