I have no confidence that Tesla will fix this before the planned Robo-Taxi rollout in Austin in 2 weeks.

After all, they haven’t fixed it in the last 9 years that self-driving Teslas have been on the road.

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      Yeah the draconian punishment and outcry when someone dares to overtake a school bus is absolutely laughable.

      Give that child chance to be shot the next day in school! Or starve to death, because they can’t afford school lunches.

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      Yeah once they’re out of the womb, fuck 'em. We only care about the unborn.

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        They don’t actually care about the unborn either. They just want women to suffer, that’s always been the only goal.

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      If we did the Carolina Lean is a bigger threat than Elon, but somehow that’s legal in most states.

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    Texas releasing these things in public is horrifying. Tesla is last in this field, and refuses to add LIDAR, which is obviously what is needed.

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    Elon is not going to personally take responsibility for his cars?

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    They know these things are going to kill people; it’s just inevitable.

    Engineers are well aware of there being a cost-benefit analysis for saving human lives. O’Grady from Practical Engineering did a great video explaining how much a human life is worth to engineers. I think it was a little under $60k.

    The purpose of reducing government oversight as much as possible is so that the cost of killing people is as low as possible.

    It’s not an on/off switch of government regulation. They know that every additional policy they can shift in their favor will translate to increased profits down the line as people inevitably die from these things.

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      Fight Club taught me the cost of human life to corporations.

      If PredictedLawsuitLosses < CostOfRecall then RecallNotAnnounced

      Human life doesn’t factor in at all for them.

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        Human life absolutely factors into predicted lawsuit losses. Wrongful death lawsuits are expensive.

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          What I meant is they don’t care about people as people.

          It’s just a number to them.

          If they can profit of millions dying and they know they could get away with it, they would.

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      This is why capitalists align with fascists.

      Google, Meta, etc, are all taking the knee, because no regulation lets them slurp up our data. Target is shooting itself in the foot on DEI to appease stupid Mussolini, because a fascist autocrat doesn’t enforce labor protections.

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        Fascism, at its core, is an alignment between government and corporations. Capitalists align with fascism because that’s the entire point of fascism.

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        I lived there for six-ish years- from 1998 until 2004.

        When Americans re-elected GWB, I realized “this place is RAPIDLY becoming a shithole that’s only going to get worse.” I got the hell out as soon as I was able, and every single day since, I’ve been more relieved I left when I did.

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        The problem is, it’s already better than the worst human drivers, it’s just that that’s too low a bar. It’s a looong way away from being better than the best human drivers (think taxi and bus drivers who do it every day, or police who actually go through extra vehicle handling training)

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          I would generally agree with that statement but it seems the spirit of this thread is solidly in opposition. It would be make/model dependent, and Tesla has demonstrated their lack of safety.

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            It would be make/model dependent

            I’m specially talking about Tesla’s FSD/Autopilot.
            While getting a demo of FSD from a friend, their Model 3 correctly stopped at a red light, and 30 seconds later a car ran right through it in the next lane over. That’s how low the bar is for “worst human driver”. Tbh, that human shouldn’t have been on the road if they’re driving past stopped cars through a red light.

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              I would asset your anecdote is definitely not proof positive of Tesla FSD being better than humans statistically, but it’s true that most public sentiment is inaccurate in assessing their FSD as either flawless or a murder-suicide mobile.

              I’ve been behind the wheel when FSD was going to run a red light for me, twice in the same trip. It does perform impressively well most of the time, and if I could wave a magic wand, I’d put Tesla software in a more reputable brand’s car with LIDAR. Musk is a moron for going cameras only (and about fifty other things).

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      Might also explain why they’re the only ones that seem to have all this knowledge of a population crisis that no one else is aware of.

      Thank God for the technocratic elite, and their foresight to know their plans for greatness will almost certainly wipe out the entire U.S. population. Hazard of being part of the unwashed masses, I guess.

      Glad they are doing all this while they simultaneously argue that a loss of our personal liberty is a small price to pay for their protection. If they weren’t keeping us safe from… ::gestures vaguely:: China(?) then who would?

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      A German party campaigned under the slogan “Digital first. Bedenken second” (Sic, i.e. mostly english). Bedenken means concerns.

      They were punished pretty hard last election.

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      I still don’t get how anyone thought this notion was ever considered a good strategy for anything… it clearly shows these people have no skin in the game because there is no way they would break their own things

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        This is exactly what it is. Move fast, and break other people’s things. Then never fucking take responsibility

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        I’m developing a game engine, that is currently unpopular, instead of trying to make the old API work with the new rendering system, I just decided to completely redo a lot of stuff. It was mandatory for the GUI subsystem as previously it was a spaghetti code of mess, now it’s a pretty well usable thing. It was less mandatory with the sprite and tile rendering, but I needed to adjust stuff to OpenGL, as previously it used the CPU.

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    I guess there’s going to be a lot of heroes popping Robo-Taxi tires. To protect their community and all that.

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      I recall that people blocked Waymo cars at one point by simply placing orange cones in front of them. Given Teslas only use cameras I wonder if you could just slap a sticker of an orange cone (or just a splash of orange paint) on the hood and confuse it enough that it wouldn’t move…

      Edit: Or, if you really want to be a dick, get some black stickers (the stronger the glue the better) and surreptitiously put them over one or more cameras.

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        Given Teslas only use cameras

        This still blows my mind. My fucking robot vacuum uses LiDAR, and multi-ton vehicles on public roads use cameras? Jesus Christ.

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          “Well you see lidar cameras are expensive. Yeah… that’s the excuse. No more questions” - Tesla whenever they are asked to explain themselves

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            Actually the excuse Musk uses is that humans only use their eyes to drive, so that’s enough for cars as well.

            Wrong on so many levels…

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              Right… except for hearing horns, sirens or brakes screeching. Feeling a bump in the road and using the tactile feedback to determine if you should swerve or stop.

              Elon Musk has been chaffeured the vast majority of his life and it shows.

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                In my country when you do a driving test one of the things you have to do is pass a hazard perception test. Everyone hates it because it consists of watching a video and clicking on the hazards when you notice them.

                The problem is it’s almost impossible because the Field of view is probably only about 90°, you can’t turn your head because you’re locked to the forward-facing camera position, and you lack all the other information.

                There are practise tests online, it’s interesting to take them because it really does show you how dependent you are on things other than just direct vision.

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    How the fuck, will this get the go ahead? In the US you can sue anyone for anything, how long before a class action gets filed against Tesla and their death traps?

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      Tesla owns the gov rn, litigation against tesla will be domestic terorism

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      Oh don’t worry, the grifters will all have cashed out and be floating away on golden parachutes long after the decades of litigation is over.

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      Hooray for the free market!

      I’m sure all the dead children would have been proud to be collateral damage for such an important event!

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    Waymo, which I think grew out of the original Google self-driving car project, has been operating robo-taxis for several years. They’re available in San Francisco, Los Angeles, and a few more cities. I wonder how they did on the schoolbus test. Not able to find anything online about that. They use different car manufacturers from China, UK, Germany, and it looks like one of them (Jaguar Land Rover) is owned or partly owned by Ford. So data about the individual cars is kind of hard to track down.