Makes sense, ones an inoffensive cartoon, the others a cunt who should die.
it’s a massive fucking lie anyway; anyone who’s been to china can tell you they have winnie the pooh merch in every fuckin’ shop. winnie the pooh is very popular there.
I think the top comment is the real answer on this.
There is censorship in China, as well as in the west. They just operate very differently.
In the west, outside the US, I think it’d be fairly easy to argue there’s more censorship in China. (Even with the pretty depressing clamp down on right to protest, and suppressing of anti-israel speech in many forms happening at the moment)
Equally though, people massively overblow what censorship is actually like in China. I’m not gonna get disappeared next time I go to China just for this comment. Or even if I overtly criticised the government on real-name social media.
tl;dr “China bad!” and “China so good!” are both equally annoying positions to find on the internet.
Reality is nuanced, but that doesn’t seem to make people happy.
suppression of anti-israel speech
any source on this because what I’m seeing on xiaohongshu is quite the opposite
You won’t get disappeared so long as you’re parent country is on good terms with China. If not you make a convenient pawn.
You just can’t make memes about Xi using Pooh on social media I guess.
Out of curiosity, is there any Chinese source that says that? Or are we just operating off memes we have seen?
I feel like the Taiwanese air force wouldn’t bother with these unofficial patches if there weren’t at least some truth to it.
A punch in the face for Xi caricature: Taiwan air force badge goes viral
Taiwanese are rushing to buy patches being worn by their air force pilots that depict a Formosan black bear punching Winnie the Pooh - representing China’s President Xi Jinping - as a defiant symbol of the island’s resistance to Chinese war games.
Have they cast themselves as ‘pedo bear’?
Yeah armies are well known to be fact driven and not doing propaganda /s
🤔 Interesting. China Military Calls for Efforts to Repair Image after Scandals
Got any hot takes about this army?
I don’t think many people are gonna have “hot takes” based on a vaguely titled article behind a paywall.
Also “scandals” to do with the Chinese military have little to do with someone saying that Taiwanese military badges don’t prove anything about the situation in China.
But all armies=bad and propaganda, no?
I feel like the Taiwanese air force wouldn’t bother with these unofficial patches if there weren’t at least some truth to it.
I don’t see the logic in this sentence. What makes those soldiers a more reliable source than you or me? Taiwanese people read memes too.
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Gets asked for a Chinese source, posts Reuters
I thought about asking how would state controlled media be able to publish anything about an image if it’s banned. Then I figured that’s pretty obvious, and didn’t want to ruffle any feathers. Should have known better than to try and go against the narrative. My bad.
Who’s talking about getting something from state controlled media?
😂
Do the Taiwanese not also like dank memes?
So they’re surely just randomly banning those words from videogames
Is there a source for this claim? Or just something you’ve noticed?
Basically all games tencent have stock in ban saying 'winnie the pooh"
Basically all games by UBIsoft or EA in stock ban saying: “Fredthefishlord is sinophobic lib”
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I feel like people already forgot about the hearthstone hongkong debacle, when Blizzard Activision bent their asses for tencent and banned him
Idk man. People typically use it to be racist against Chinese folk. It’s not crazy that video game moderation teams would ban a common insult against a race of players.
I also don’t know anything, but it sounds like none of us do and we are just speculating
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No, it started as an adorable meme on Chinese forums:
It then became a racist trope on Western forums.
The title of president is ceremonial, so term limits on it are hardly consequential. The real top position since 1982 has been the General Secretary of the CPC, which is a renewable five year term that has never had term limits. Xi is still very popular with people in China, so it’s no surprise that he won a third term in 2022. Jiang Zemin also won three terms, so there’s nothing unusual about it.
And why wouldn’t Xi be popular?
- Most in China Call Their Nation A Democracy, Most in U.S. Say America Isn’t
- Long-term survey reveals Chinese government satisfaction
- Helping 800 Million People Escape Poverty Was Greatest Such Effort in History, Says [UN] Secretary-General, on Seventieth Anniversary of China’s Founding
- China’s Energy Use Per Person Surpasses Europe’s for First Time
- At 54, China’s average retirement age is too low
- China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data
Where you got “fascist” and “dictator” from was a lifetime of Western anti-communist propaganda.
I knew woke leftists making vidyagames political was CCP plot
I lived in china for 4 years and Winnie has Def never been outlawed. Chinese censorship is much more sophisticated than “hey, that’s illegal.” There’s not a list of pictures or memes or phrases that if you’re caught with you’ll get a visit from the police. No no no. There are hundreds of thousands of people monitoring social media for the latest “subversive” trends. When a new trend develops that content is blacklisted and just not allowed to be spread. You’ll send your friend a picture and it never shows up on their phone. There’s no indication on your end that it didn’t send or they didn’t get it. You can have this content on your phone, the CCP doesn’t care. They care about it spreading. And you’ll never get in trouble for trying to spread it because the system doesn’t allow it to spread.
That happens to me on YouTube; the only way I can talk to some people is on rednote.
That’s actually kinda cool in a techno dyatopian kinda way.
I was going to say horrifying.
Yeah it is horrifying but it is a cool concept. Ofc you’ll know something is off when your friend doesn’t respond to what you sent them.
definitely beats having fascism spread around unchecked (and even encouraged) like us tech companies.
If that was the only thing they censored then I don’t think as many people would mind
i don’t think most people actually living in china mind it very much at all.
“Only those who agree are allowed to be heard, but trust me bro, everyone agrees”
no, i personally think its fascists specifically that shouldn’t be heard, and even then most can change their minds away from it. most of the rest can be reasoned with, talked to and compromised with.
You don’t think they mind the censorship or what do you mean
yes
I mean could be, most people aren’t French and just take most stuff even if it’s not great
When they find out the extent of the censorship they mind very much. But that’s the problem, the censorship is so deep and so good that the vast majority of the Chinese never find out how extensive it is, because it’s not just your WeChat, it’s ALL MEDIA. The Chinese don’t have access to over 90% of the internet, so they never find out what’s out there or know what information they’re missing.
And you’re just trading one dystopian nightmare for another. Saying one is better than the other is like saying having a foot cut off is better than losing a kidney. There is nuance, they’re both bad.
Its pretty trivial to get a vpn, or just download an esim in alipay. Esims automatically go around the Great Fire Wall.
the censorship is so deep and so good that the vast majority of the Chinese never find out how extensive it is, because it’s not just your WeChat, it’s ALL MEDIA.
Have you considered it’s actually the other way around?
The problem is the censorship is so deep and so good that the vast majority of westerners never find out how extensive it is, because it’s not just your nazi.world, it’s ALL MEDIA.
Yes. But like I said, I lived there for years. True, the western media gets a lot of things wrong. But china is heavily censored, there’s no way around that reality.
Are you seriously trying to say that western relations are more censored than china’s? One of those countries has locked off Internet. The other does not.
they never find out what’s out there or know what information they’re missing
its literally really common in china for people to use VPNs to get around the blocks.
i suggest you read some leftist theory despite the propaganda your country does to make you hate it, you don’t seem to know you are missing it dearly in the US.
i suggest you read some leftist theory despite the propaganda your country does to make you hate it
Dude. They literally started the first comment with “I lived in China for 4 years”. When you start trying to “um actually” people with years of first-hand experience, it might be time to reflect on your own biases
Buddy, I lived there for years. My sources are the hundreds of Chinese people I spoke to in their native tongue for years. Not the propaganda from my country. True, SOME Chinese people have VPNs. Most do not.
And I think the more poignant question is this. Why do they need a VPN to access the wider internet in the first place?
Should openly fascist people be allowed to vote in your opinion? Just curious what peoples’ take on this is.
Should openly fascist people be allowed to vote [for government] in your opinion?
Why should they? As in, materially, how does society benefit from that? How does the democratic decision-making tool become more useful from it? I consider democracy to be a decision-making process, so I don’t care for vague idealistic assertions like “every adult should have the right to vote” unless there’s a benefit from it. And allowing an explicitly anti-liberal, anti-democratic, bad-faith opportunist (and fascism is explicitly and openly all of those) to vote is harmful to the democratic process and increases the odds of it making a bad decision.
Openly fascist people should not be allowed to draw breath.
No, reactionaries should be rehabilitated to the best of society’s capabilities. Participation in society isn’t sacred, the purpose of democracy is to deliver the best results for the most amount of people. Reactionaries that wish to expel and murder minority groups should be treated as any other violent criminal, through rehabilitation if possible.
it should not be allowed to be represented in a truly democratic election in the first place. acting fascists should be criminalized.
its the paradox of tolerance: we need everyone to have a baseline level of respect for each other for society to work harmoniously. fascism singles out defenseless groups to blame for their problems, breaking this harmony. and so it distracts its followers from the real causes and people they should be looking into.
The guy’s a braindead pedant. He’s not here to have a discussion, he’s here to feel superior.
please relax my dude
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Seems more like Huxley than Orwell.
They get you with inconvenience instead of brute force.
stop talking about novels like they’re historical studies or facts
Getting too close to comfort for you?
no, it’s a novel, it’s a work of fiction, not a piece of theory or history that you can quote, the ending and the world is entirely built by the writer, there’s no study it’s literally arguments made up by the writer based on no sources or research, anyone can write a dystopian story, I could write a dystopian story and quote it right now, it’s not argument, it’s stupid.
You know, in my novel of people who quote novels ending up as nazis, you do resemble it a lot.
/\ as valid as using a novel like 1984 or animal farm or whatever else as an argument
1984 and Brave New World are allegories based on real life social observations and events. So, yes, they are based on history. They are famous for a reason. It is just that you find it too close to comfort.
They’re famous because the US regime uses them to indoctrinate children in their flag pledging factories
my 3 sentence novel is also based on observing you.
Yes, anyone right of you is a Nazi.
How original. Pulitzer prize winning.
It’s not history, but it’s certainly theory. The study it’s based on is through observations of reality. When comparing something to one of these books, we’re testing their observations by comparing them to reality. Incidentally, it gets brought up a lot when an event, occurrence, or vector in society begins to resemble these books too closely.
Your hyperbole of people quoting books all being nazis, on the other hand, is very easily disproven.
“this is giving boss baby vibes” except actually trying to make a point out of it
Your hyperbole of people quoting books all being nazis
Only the dumbest fucking people pull this shit and you are as fucking stupid as can be measured
Considering what you measure with, that doesn’t have much meaning.
Aren’t they though, at this point?
go back to reddit.
Can’t they use stuff like signal or simplex to communicate. How they going to decrypt the msg and the app simple x is open source. Until they are not seeing what app you have in the system it should not be a problem
Those apps are blocked. Your apps have to be unencrypted to be distributed in China. If you can get a VPN that works you can use them.
I’m just curious if the “fun countries” will “let me right in” because of my profile picture?
i mean, should a meme that’s not exceedingly political but pokes slight fun of a political figure increase the chances of you getting into a given country, when its on your phone?
on the other hand it would be kind of funny if having pictures of bald eagles and us flags and pro trump memes on your phone made la migra care more about the immigrants they are deporting.
I’m not going to some authoritarian shithole that thinks they need to see my phone.
i mean, should a meme that’s not exceedingly political but pokes slight fun of a political figure increase the chances of you getting into a given country, when its on your phone?
No, it’s a double edged sword, it is.
on the other hand it would be kind of funny if having pictures of bald eagles and us flags and pro trump memes on your phone made la migra care more about the immigrants they are deporting.
Again, no. I only have so much room on my phone for corny-ass-mostly-lazy-spoiled-shits; mainly cats.
Again, no. I only have so much room on my phone for corny-ass-mostly-lazy-spoiled-shits; mainly cats.
Catland immigration policies are pretty clear you get full citizenship.
Yeah, I’d be fine with it… but honestly Cats take the hardest advantages from me out of any species I’ve come across.
I do like them very much, though. I’ll consider it.
The many faces of JD Vance
I’m literally in a Chinese hostel right now with a Winnie the pooh mattress.
You fool, the CCP thought police unit are going to backtrace your photo and execute the hostel owner and their entire bloodline now!!!
Lmao imagine the Chinese equivalent to Epstein is getting photos of people with Winnie the Pooh contraband and using that to keep them in line
It’s always projection. Even if they’re not literally doing the thing that they accuse their opponent of doing yet, the fact that they’re making the accusation reveals their intention.
Ah shit, this means they’re gonna do everything they made up about Xinjiang (if they’re not doing it already at the alligator place)
Didn’t this turn out to be fake?
No, his face really does look like that
More proof he looks like this
Have you even said thank you?
None of the documentation or statements by US officials are consistent, and appear to include a bit of lying. So people are leaning towards him being at least partially correct in his accusations.
In short, they saw the picture and then began an extended interview where they made a bunch of false claims, and used made up reasons to deny him. Then later claimed they used more reasonable argument, which also doesn’t really hold water.
I think US customs said it was because he admitted to using drugs in the past and had photos of a paraphernalia on his phone. He said they ignored that stuff and focused on the photo. So it comes down to whether you think one specific customs employee could potentially see something they don’t like and choose to refuse entry for another reason or that customs is being honest and open about the reason his entry was refused and that the people making the announcement fully understand the situation (including the thoughts of the person that examined the photos).
I feel like the latter is unlikely, but I don’t have enough evidence to say either way. I don’t think drug paraphernalia in a photo or admitting past drug use are good reasons to refuse entry either.
Border Patrol have been denying people that admit they smoke weed for decades now. It’s nothing new.
so dude came to help reducing the amount of drugs available on the streets and got kicked out? smh
Left yes. Right no.
No, that is actually the vice president of the USA.
Funny meme but it’s worth noting that he wasn’t denied entry to the US for the meme. It was because they found messages between him and his drug dealer.
Trump loves dictators and is trying to emulate them.
Yeah, dude thinks Orban is #Goals. He certainly wants the longevity of Putin and the immunity of Netenyahu as well.
I mean the first person they mention in comparison is Putin who isn’t an Asian
That’s really not the point
yeah it is. WTF is with lemmy always simping for china? Are we supposed to pretend nothing is wrong with China?
???
Are you reading a different comment thread to me?
Depends how pedantic you want to be. A large portion of Russian land is in Asia.
Through conquest and colonial exploits though. That’s like saying Macron is South American because French Guiana exists. Putin was born and raised in St Petersburg; a historically Finnic territory if anything
Right but it doesn’t make all Russians Asian.
Hasn’t stopped liberals from doing orientalism when they call for doing genocide on them
Is it more important what percentage of their population is past the Urals or how ‘savage foreign enemy’ tropes are being used?
… please tell me, what continent is Russia located in?
Russia the country is both in Asia and Europe, that makes someone of Russian ethnicity born in Europe to Russian parents an Asian
That’s… Not how it works lol
Russians are an East Slavic ethnic group native to Eastern Europe. Their mother tongue is Russian, the most spoken Slavic language. The majority of Russians adhere to Orthodox Christianity, ever since the Middle Ages. By total numbers, they compose the largest Slavic and European nation.
Closest you can get is calling him “Eurasian” I guess
Russia is a European country at its core controlling a vast portion of Asia through invasion and colonial exploits. France is also located in the Pacific, North America, South America, Africa, but no one would claim that it’s not a European nation.
mfw colonialism is a vacuous vibe based word I get to use however I want
No one was ever deported/denied entry to China because they had a Winnie the Pooh image on their phone.
