I love how americans are going bonkers when their fuel prices are simply approaching eu prices(worst case scenario was still 25% from eu prices). Its also funny that all this is self inflicted.
EU infrastructure is way waaaaay better for handling a life without a car.
In most of the US a car is a necessity.
So… voting to create the illusion of lower gas prices while not increasing miles per gallon?.. I hate it here…
So the GQPedos plan is to use more ethanol, something they’ve been whining about for decades. Meanwhile, the Dems are trying to cut the (hasn’t been inflation adjusted in 30 years) gas tax to further screw over the future AND help their opponents in an election year. USA! USA! USA!
welcome to America the “fuck anyone who isn’t a rich white male pedophile” country.
If America was a person on a raft dying of thirst then we’re at the part where they start gulping down ocean water.
MAGA started drinking the ocean water a long time ago because woke lib science told them it was dangerous.
“dumb libruls what u think gatoraids is? it be same thing huh huh”
Nah, straight to the piss drinking stage, they wouldn’t drink ocean water, fish fucked there.
And yeah, half of them were already all about the aged urine rubs, cause not-a-doctor told them so.
They’ll do this but refuse to support renewable energy
Well yeah, their entire lives have been spent sucking oil dick, their entire foundation of their wealth is tied up in oil, and even though they’re rich enough to pivot entirely and never feel a difference in their lives, they’re stuck in the sunk cost mentality.
It’s too risky to invest in a brand new industry that’s on shaky legs. Never mind that it stopped being a “new” industry decades ago and has proven it will do quite well, and is thriving. They stopped paying attention to real life many many decades ago. As far as they are concerned, they didn’t have to do any sort of personal growth, so they are woefully out of touch with reality.
Oil is what was there when they (or their parents they inherited wealth from) were kids, so obviously they have to dig their heels in to keep oil from flopping. Anything else is secondary.
Well yeah, their entire lives have been spent sucking oil dick…
I’m not gay, but gas is gas…
Just wait until they try to dilute your electricity down to 100V. /s
To be fair, I can’t run my car off of wind power.
But also to be fair, I could be doing so were I enabled to do so.
EDIT: What I mean by this is that I in no way nor have I ever been in a position to purchase an EV. I would love to, but it requires money I simply do not have.
If your wind power charged a battery and you hooked up to it nightly with your electric car, it could. Certainly if the municipal grid uses wind power.
However, while the E15 rollout can lower prices, ethanol does contains less energy than gasoline, so eventually with E15, a driver will end up burning more fuel for the same amount of distance, albeit fuel which is slightly cheaper than standard gasoline.
MAGAs are dumb enough to think they’re getting some kind of deal
“I used to only fit $50 of gas in my truck, now I can fit $100. Lol checkmate libs”
Ethanol also rots the internal works of your vehicle so vehicles will disintegrate and people will be forced to buy new vehicles in 2027+ which will all have mandatory big brother spyware.
Most vehicles made past about 2004 are all ethanol safe up to maybe E20. You ideally shouldn’t, but e15 won’t ruin them.
Anything older though… God have mercy on your soul.
Those '90s civics still puttering around finally gonna get put in the grave.
They’d probably just go through a fuel pump and a fresh filter and then be fine lol.
You will also need a new banjo line going to the fuel rail into the injectors, and the o ring on the end of the injector won’t be long for this world, but that should be it. The rest of the path out of the engine is steel and aluminum.
Dude you could run those things off dirty vegetable oil and they’d still go. The only things more indestructible than a '90s Civic is a Corolla from any year.
Did the US get diesel Civics? That would be surprising to me. Petrol engines don’t really run off veggie oil AFAIK. But really, the main thing E15 is going to cause is fuel leaks, which aren’t impossible to fix by any means.
However, as for
The only things more indestructible than a '90s Civic is a Corolla from any year.
I’m going to have to respectfully disagree because those things barely exist anymore on the roads here where they salt the roads. The tech is strong, the chassis is not. I don’t know when the Japanese figured out galvanization, but as of the mid 00s, they still had issues (not just a single make or model either. Mazda was the worst, but Toyota and Honda still rust). I haven’t really inspected any newer Japanese cars. I think Toyota did something better with Lexus branded vehicles, as those tend to have less rust… Or perhaps the owners just took better care of the more expensive vehicles.
Or a Hilux. Or a 90s Nokia.
I’m also concerned a lot of them will drink it.
I monitor gas mileage in my truck pretty closely. Even resetting the fuel trims and running a couple tanks, E15 doesn’t really change mine that much over E10, maybe 1 mile per gallon less. Now on the other hand E85 is closer to 5-6mpg less. It all depends on how much less it costs at the time, but overall E15 is slightly cheaper for my use case. Any savings I might have is more than taken away by filling up my equipment, diesel is crazy now and no ethanol gas is right behind it.
Yea dilution will also destroy our gas engines and force people into buying pedo welfare queen Elon’s teslas
Yeah, in the EU there’s a law that petrol has to be 10% non-fossil energy for 95 and 5% for 98 IIRC. Now, most stations skirt by it by producing “green” natural gas or just buying clean energy certificates or whatever it is they do, but when the law came out, there was a big deal because it turns out a lot of older cars aren’t cleared for E10. I imagine even fewer are for E15.
It’s not so much that it’d kill the engine. That’s unlikely to happen for MOST engines. What it will do is destroy the fuel hoses. And if you have a stupid early direct injection petrol engine with a membrane based high pressure fuel pump (fuck you, GM! I think a few others used that design too though), that pump’s not gonna like ethanol. If the high pressure fuel pump fails and your engine runs lean, that might indeed kill an engine though.
Yeah I only run 98 (Australia, no ethanol) in my MK6 golf. I’d love to be able to run E85 or E10 but that requires new hoses and an ECU tune. I’d do the hardware myself and have a shop handle the ECU, however time is such a valuable thing these days.
98 around here is approx 2.15 / L or 5.80~ per galon. E85 is similar in price to 98, while E10 is around 1.70.
2.15 / L
If that’s in AUD, people round here would kill for that. We’re at about 1.80 euros per liter here, but it goes above 2 every now and then. Diesel and Petrol are roughly the same price and no real difference between 95 and 98 either.
Our fuel prices are subsidized by the government currently. They were climbing for a while when I was walking / riding so I’m not over how mad they had become. Back in the car during rain / shit weather but prices seem much more acceptable currently.
In Norway, 98 is still ethanol free for older cars and engines only used seasonally like lawn mowers and snow plowers.
95 is of course (up to) 10% and that’s completely fine for anything even remotely modern and in use every now and then.
Like you said: hoses don’t like the ethanol, and it’s hydroscopic which is what can cause issues if left in for 6 months every year.
In Norway, 98 is still ethanol free for older cars and engines only used seasonally like lawn mowers and snow plowers.
In Estonia, they straight up recommended getting alkylate petrol for lawn mowers and such when the law came that 95 should be 10% ethanol and 98 5%. That stuff is pretty expensive. But since the law had a loophole in it, nearly no chain sells ethanol in their fuels at this point (though there are a few that will sell you high ethanol content fuel for racecar use, I think it was E85)
95 is of course (up to) 10% and that’s completely fine for anything even remotely modern and in use every now and then.
GM’s Z22YH can’t handle it for an example. Opel used it in the Zafira B and Vectra C up till 2010. Once you upgrade it to use Renault’s F5R engine’s high pressure fuel pump for better reliability, it’ll work, since Renault/Bosch engineers were sober when it was designed, as opposed to GM/Siemens.
There are a few other manufacturers who claim their cars made in the 00s or early 10s don’t take E10, but I cba to look for the list. To me that’s still “remotely modern” since I grew up poor enough that my first car was older than myself lol
Like you said: hoses don’t like the ethanol, and it’s hydroscopic which is what can cause issues if left in for 6 months every year.
Technically I don’t think you should regularly leave fuel in that long even if it’s ethanol free. Though I’ve never had bad fuel kill any of my equipment, oddly enough. I’ve got a rototiller that gets used twice a year and it doesn’t even take the entire tank each time and I’ve never drained it. I’ve only used ethanol free on it though.
Surely they are joking. Here’s Seattle this morning:
Yeah but aren’t you buying special gas?
Just add 20 cents more!
About $2 is state taxes
This also increases pollution
If you ask yourself “which option causes more pollution?” about nearly any policy, you’ll get the entire Republican platform
Damn, republicans are literally American BJP. It ain’t even a metaphor anymore
Republicans vote to hide their fuckup at a cost to the American people
Again
Water down the gas, then contaminate the water with in a AI data center. Art of the deal! We will be so much winning you might get tried of all the winner! 🫲🍊🫱
I think you mean
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If only AI data centres had to pay $5 a gallon for gasoline to power their equipment and we could use free clean water to power our vehicles.
Theyre going to use distilled water so it’s ok.
Real benefit: Combustion motor life cycle shortened enhancing planned obsolescence for manufacturer product cycles and future sales. Diluted gas is less efficient and despite paying less you’re actually paying more both near and long term. So much winning.
Fortunately, us Americans suck at math. A consequence of our “world class” public education.
20th percentile, surely
Why would you want a 1/3 pounder when you can have 1/4 pounder
Wut?
So, something scoring in the 20th percentile really means that it is only better than 20% of the other rated things, but I was facetiously implying an American might think it meant top 20%.
I drive a 2018 wrx with a very modest etune. It’s tuned for longevity as it’s not even an hp gain. This will be difficult to run in my car.
Why? It raises the octane, so you can run more boost easily. It just requires more fuel delivery because it has lower energy density. Are you near injector or fuel pump flow limits?
You absolutely need a tune for e85 exclusively. You can throw a few gallons in to fix some timing issues but I’m pretty sure you need to adjust ignition timing to keep your afr in range to run it exclusively.
E85 is rarely actually e85 so an ethanol content analyzer is usually required to adjust the ecu accordingly. It’s not just higher octane, all that does is allow for higher compression at a similar temp.
This is stupid. You have to use so much fucking gas to farm those fields. It just adds to the load.
And you simply end up buying more gas because it’s less efficient if your car doesn’t take it. So demand will actually increase. Which makes sense when you realize whose in charge.
How about all those people who paid extra for the cars that burn E85… To get less mpg
Financial literacy is very not common in government… Even less so with the population
Maybe the goal of using E85 was not to make a car get better fuel economy, but instead to reduce dependence on foreign oil, reduce the carbon footprint from cars, and reduce the cost per mile to run the car?
I don’t know if E85 actually does those things in the long run (there is some debate based on studies that don’t take the whole lifecycle of the car and it’s fuel into account) but calling an option stupid based on on a goal it was never intended to meet seems silly.
Also, in E85 cars, the main differences are that the rubber components are made from a different material that the fuel doesn’t corrode, and they have an engine computer that can adjust the engine to run on E85. They work perfectly fine with regular fuel as well.
To be fair the idea there is that with the extensive corn subsidies, E85 should be significantly cheaper than pure fossil fuel.
Issue is, even with subsidies, ethanol costs a bunch of money to produce. Farming costs go up too when diesel goes up.
Ethanol is cheaper then petrol. The prices schould go down with more mixing in.
It should, but the price of ethanol also goes up when fuel prices do. Because it costs fuel to produce ethanol. Not a huge savings by any means.
But the ratio for the price change is not 1:1.
Prices will increase with increased demand.
Don’t they usually use diesel?
It’s demand on petroleum in general.
Which still comes from oil and is even more expensive than petrol right now since the demand on it is even less elastic.
This is literally the exact same kind of thing as USSR-aligned countries would do in the 80s. Back then it was “stupid communism”, but today it’s “glorious capitalism”.
