• OnyxRex@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    173·
    4 天前

    I’m not dying for rich people that got power and decided to break literally every stabilizing thing in geopolitics so that they could make more money and then start a war to cover it up.

    I might die because of them, but there’s no way I’m dying for them. If they draft, I’m running. call me whatever you want.

    • Gordon Calhoun@lemmy.world
      483·
      4 天前

      In totalitarian regimes—communism, fascism, religious fundamentalism—popular support is a given. You can start wars, you can prolong them, you can put anyone in uniform for any length of time without ever having to worry about the slightest political backlash. In a democracy, the polar opposite is true. Public support must be husbanded as a finite national resource. It must be spent wisely, sparingly, and with the greatest return on your investment. America is especially sensitive to war weariness, and nothing brings on a backlash like the perception of defeat. I say “perception” because America is a very all-or-nothing society. We like the big win, the touchdown, the knockout in the first round. We like to know, and for everyone else to know, that our victory wasn’t only uncontested, it was positively devastating. -Max Brooks, World War Z: An Oral History of the Zombie War

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
        371·
        4 天前

        communism, fascism, religious fundamentalism

        democracy

        Point of order, democracy is a mechanism for selecting leadership, not an ideology of governance.

        Democracies routinely produce Communist, Fascist, and Religious Fundamentalist leaders.

        Like, I know it’s a quote and all. But it’s just a Baby’s First PolySci view of how civilizations organize themselves. Not an ounce of Lockean Theory to be found.

        That’s before you get into the reality of Republican governance and practical enfranchisement. You can’t go rolling up on Thomas Jefferson’s slaves and announcing “Idiots, it’s a democracy, why did you vote for this?”

        • j_overgrens@feddit.nl
          2·
          3 天前

          democracy is a mechanism for selecting leadership

          No, it’s not. Or well, it’s more than that – especially ideologically. Quod omnes tangit, ab omnibus approbari debet – “what concerns everyone must be approved by everyone”.

          • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
            3·
            3 天前

            what concerns everyone must be approved by everyone

            Democracies don’t function this way. Majoritarian rule regionally occurs in defiance of some portion of the public citizenry.

            Depending on how the Democracy is organized bureaucratically, it may even be the majority of the citizenry.

    • SlothMama@lemmy.world
      9·
      3 天前

      I can’t wait for the lawsuits around legally compelled detransititions for military draft or any government positions.

    • SectoidLexi@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      6·
      3 天前

      Low T won’t save you as Hegseth wants to inject soldiers with T. Being trans also won’t save you as they will happily change their tune on the trans military ban during a draft as an excuse to throw trans women into the meat grinder.

    • wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      2 天前

      They won’t refuse trans soldiers. They will just ban any action or expression which conforms to a gender identity not consistent with sex at birth, and selectively hand out corporal punishment for perceived infractions.

    • Cypress@lemmy.zipEnglish
      7·
      3 天前

      Of course never would i EVER frag a commandant of the New Reich in his own tent with his own ordinance, trust me bro! Why would I, a humble conscript, ever lash out at the fascist regime that’s rounding up so many of my loved ones for summary extermination? Golly that would be awfully mean of me, just too cruel of me by far, to return even the tiniest, barest fraction of the gut wrenching agonizing tragedy they inflicted on us all BACK to them. Goodness forbid.

      • ramble81@lemmy.zip
        30·
        3 天前

        No, it’s about sending a message that immoral conscription has consequences. If it means sacrificing your own life to send that message, so be it.

        • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.worldBanned from community
          433·
          3 天前

          “I became a terrorist and murdered an innocent person because I didn’t agree with someone else’s decision.”

          The draft will never occur in the U.S. because we already have way to many people in the military. They don’t need to have a draft.

          Now if we made education and healthcare accessible to everyone like we should, we might not have as many people volunteering to go.

          Our military would grow to like 10x the current size if we had forced conscription like Israel or Korea.

          We couldn’t afford it.

            • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.worldBanned from community
              118·
              3 天前

              So let me ask, do you think it would be proper to report this as a terrorist site. Choosing to murder a random person who has no choice to the military?

              • Diurnambule@jlai.lu
                42·
                3 天前

                Hul didn’t you said theirs was no draft ? Try to keep ypur story straight little propagandist.

                • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.worldBanned from community
                  13·
                  3 天前

                  “immoral conscription” was the comment I replied to? Do you not know what those words mean? That’s called a draft in the country we are talking about.

          • Triasha@lemmy.world
            4·
            3 天前

            We have an effective volunteer military, for now.

            When civil unrest reaches critical mass the elites stop thinking about the military as a tool to force other countries to do what they want and start thinking about it as a tool to force the rabble to stay in line. This is the primary purpose of most militaries in the world.

            The failure of the war in Iran brings us closer to that point.

            • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.worldBanned from community
              14·
              3 天前

              The number of “frags” near “U.S. commanders” is near 0. People like Pete Hegseth are stupid, but even they aren’t stupid enough to choose to go into an active warzone

          • Duamerthrax@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            3 天前

            Remember when everyone said Trump couldn’t win the election*? And since when has not having the money for war stopped the US from going to war? They just borrow against their kids.

            Although I will point out that Trump and Elon bragged about rigging the election, that’s besides the point.

              • Duamerthrax@lemmy.worldEnglish
                7·
                3 天前

                If you think “it can’t happen here”, with regards to a draft, you’re an idiot who has their head in the sand. Too many “it can’t happen here” things have been happening.

                • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.worldBanned from community
                  14·
                  3 天前

                  It would bankrupt the country to add people we don’t need… It would be like a sports team paying to have 10x the players and not be able to put any of them on the field.

                  Creating a draft would drive voters to increase the pay and benefits of soldiers as well.

                  So yes it could happen. But it is a near 0% chance of happening.

      • Taleya@aussie.zoneEnglish
        17·
        3 天前

        Might wanna look up the origin of fragging, why it was A Thing and how the circumstances not only destroyed the draft, but the US presence in vietnam

    • JcbAzPx@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      3 天前

      No AI gets to make art and design systems which will leave us free to do the back breaking manual labor.

    • potoooooooo 🥔@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      3 天前

      But at least it’s enabling child predators! Wait. Oh, no. Is AI actually a bad thing!?

      I still have high hopes it’ll help the environment, at least?

    • Billegh@lemmy.world
      3·
      3 天前

      Was? You think that AI is done causing problems? There are whole new classes of unknown problems waiting for us in the future…

      • qarbone@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        3 天前

        “Was” doesn’t imply they think we’ve hit rock-bottom.

        They were naive to think “AI” would improve things, but now they are appropriately pessimistic going forward.

      • Rhaedas@fedia.io
        29·
        4 天前

        Klinger’s problem was slow reaction. Had he acted before they initially saw him, maybe. My dad was drafted in Vietnam and always told me to go right up and deep kiss the guy taking names. Although I don’t think that would work as well now.

        • imadethis@fedinsfw.appEnglish
          2·
          3 天前

          It would work, but only to keep you from getting drafted. You’d probably be in some sort of military brig for a good long while.

          Much more effective* is to shoot the bastards. We all know how much americans talk about doing it…

          *I’m not going to lie here, it’s not more effective for you, just for everyone else after a few more follow your example. You’d be consigning yourself to death.

  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
    57·
    4 天前

    Man, I did some light manual labor yesterday and I can barely stand today. I can’t go to fucking war without severely endangering every friendly around me.

    So no, 45 is not the new thirty fucking anything.