Is Discluded a word? Isn’t that Excluded?
I think it’s one of those flammable/inflammable sort of things.
No no, discluded is for when you exclude someone and diss them at the same time.
I had to wait until I was 28 to install Linux, (RedHat). But to be fair, personal computers as we know them today didn’t exist either.
Guess i’m autistic lol. I did install Linux on my laptop when i was 12, but it didn’t last very long. The only reason i installed it is because i felt bored with the Windows UI, and distros like Ubuntu and Mint looked really interesting at the time. After i realized that i couldn’t get my EXEs to work i just went back to Windows lol.
It wasn’t until LTT made their video about using PopOS instead of Windows 11 back in 2021 that i remembered Linux even existed. I decided to give it a shot since Windows 10 had already started to freak me out for a while with their weird questions like asking if they can use my handwriting data. The rest is history. I know LTT gets a lot of flack for how they’ve handled their Linux content, and some of it is deserved, but if it wasn’t for me seeing that video i wouldn’t have given it a try.
I somewhat managed to set up my own mail server on my PC when I was 14. It was unbelievably shitty, barely functional but I did learn a great deal and only wasted about a week of my life while gaining some trauma. After I realized I can send and receive some e-mails, I immediately reinstalled windows to play counter strike with my friends as I was becoming ostracized for constantly talking about POP3 at school. That was the episode that made me understand that I do not want to do computer science.
I wasn’t autistic, I was poor and switching to Linux made old hand-me-down computers work like new. It also frustrated me a lot, but that’s part of the game.
Damn! I wanted to know what the hypothesis was.
Apple users are dumb. Or some other bs
I have full time Linux users on my team. I fix their code all day and go home to use all 3 os’s.
Using Linux means you like tinkering, not that your smarter or more capable.
The question the OOP is getting at isn’t about being smarter or more capable. It’s about knowing how to probem solve, which is itself about feeling like it’s ok to tinker.
In my case, I used Linux because I didn’t like being spied on. I also didn’t like ads and I hated my settings being reverted after Windows updates. Fuck Windows. It’s an OS that doesn’t understand consent.
I am a full time Linux user and nobody fixes my code ever, can you explain this?
I’m sure sometimes your code needs fixing.
But this whole thread is a bait. zzzzzzz
I’ve been using linus for like 27 years or so, but I don’t think I’ve been tinkering with my desktop for 20 years. Tinkering with my servers of course.
I’ve been using linus for like 27 years or so
New honeypot just dropped?!
Has he been using Finnish or Canadian Linus?
Do you have ethical stock of the canadian one? Or is it all day old?
Yes :DG<
I started on a Commodore 64.
I think my first was an Amiga.
The school had macs eventually for our computer lab. Then at some point we had both a windows machine and then an iMac. I ended up with a windows laptop around 11 and building my own windows pc just a few years later in early high school.
That’s pretty neat-o!
I almost never seen Macs irl growing up, it was very much Windows country where I live. So obviously when I asked for a computer as a kid it came with Windows, in my case Vista…
Only in the last maybe 8? years I started seeing people who used Macs irl and it tends to be younger people who only have a Macbook for online school stuff.
Also yes I’m the only Linux desktop user I know, Even the servers in every office I’ve worked in have been Windows.
Windows vista. Man that’s a memory.
No no. Autistic children should be in, but as another variable to check
Sadly, the public is vastly undereducated in the value and importance of control variables.
I’m currently in school and both are used to an extent, with more windows than Mac. I wouldn’t say there is a strong correlation, the main difference with macs is that they only run on extremely underpowered hardware which can’t do much more than web browsing (although they cost upwards of 2k for base models nowadays, same price as a highly capable windows machine)
Growing up, we had a computer class where we learned how to use a Mac. Then they changed the OS and I’m lost using my gf’s macbook
I was once humiliated in a room full of IT peers because a colleague stuck his Apple laptop in front of me and I’d never used an Apple touchpad before that meeting. Two-finger swiping was such an alien concept I never would have guessed that’s what I needed to do.
Also consider that Apple mice at the time only had one button, so that would exclude using two anything on any Apple pointer controller, right? Nope.
Joke’s on them, I didn’t install Linux before I was 14 😎
Is the hypothesis that people in those two OS’s have no clue about other OS’s and the one thats looks like a fruit have a superiority complex?
Linux users are particularly notorious for not having superiority complex.
I use Arch btw
psh everyone uses arch nowadays the steam deck is huge! Now if you used nix OS that would be impressive!
I have a superuser complex
sudo drop your complex
Your illness is rooted deep into your consciousness. “su” is “switch user” by the way…
Hate to be that guy, but it’s akshually substitute user
No-no-no, you love being that guy :)
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i think the hypothesis is that windows kids have general tech literacy and problem solving skills and OSX kids dont. and linux users are autustic ;-]
The most powerful things windows can do are gui based and the most powerful things macos can do are in the cli
Not saying everyone bothers going that deep but there is a reason most software engineers and other professionals would prefer mac over windows
Windows is an inconsistent mess and their terminal tools are afterthoughts
I don’t know if that’s accurate. Have you seen PowerShell? It’s so good, some people install it on Linux to use as their main shell
Nonsense, c# developers might install it on Linux but nobody who understands unix like systems considers it
No he is sorta right, powershell is actually kinda fire.
That would be a very weird conclusion when Macs were generally the ones taught in school, and are also based on BSD.
My school system used macs before OSX and switched to Windows almost entirely when OS 9 was still the latest thing. Sounds like another user had the same experience. OS 9 was nothing like unix and had no terminal even, to my knowledge.
A lot of apple’s design philosophy hides the technical detail, to try and create a friction-free user experience. Android does the same thing, but apple were doing it earlier and on desktop devices to some extent. Windows back in the day was significantly more transparent, although I don’t know if I can say the same for modern windows
That’s well and good for some things, but the concern that it reduces the natural tendency to become highly tech literate is genuine.
This has been my experience and have anecdotal evidence of people who can use a Mac but don’t understand any of it. One customer we had problems with until we just cut it off was that she’d have issues with her Mac and couldn’t navigate it effectively to try troubleshooting. She didn’t understand how to install on it so we could run remote management software.
add to that that for some time in history it was quite common to build your own pc (something that abviously went away with rise of laptops), which required whole other level of understanding.
I built my laptop. Framework user fwiw
went not isn’t
You used entirely different OSes than me then. Macs were not easy to use while windows was standard. If you were using a Mac you were learning a lot more since the majority of PCs in homes were windows and you didn’t have to do anything on them.
your car’s main control unit may also be based on bsd (i have no idea whether that is in fact the case) but surprisingly most people would not call themselves experts on car electronic just because they drive a car.
while a lot of people considers themselves to be “it experts” just because they were raised by youtube instead of their parents since the age of 2.
Apple hasn’t always used a Unix-like system, though. The old Mac OS on those school computers was it’s own beast.
And now it seems like schools go for either chromebooks or tablets anyway.
I think one of the reasons is that MacOS didn’t really have any games back then, so there was no reason for a kid to be glued to their computer. And if you use something for a long time, you collect problems and ways to solve them, getting the experience and some technical knowledge along the way.
There were so many games, just not AAA titles
Number munchers and Oregon trail have entered the chat. Also the dozen other games on floppy disks (that my middle age mind cannot remember now) that we played on our Apple IIe’s.
My mom worked at Software Etc in the 80’s.
There were so many more, and better games, for PCs.
The only good games on Mac were ones ported from PC.
I was my mother’s official “troubleshooter”. If a customer returned a game, she gave it to me, to test.
There were definitely a lot more PC games returned than Mac, but there was almost never anything wrong with them. Probably came down to individual setups.
Which was Mac’s strong point. There was no real diversity in hardware, so everything worked.
But all the Mac games SUCKED compared to PC.
Unfortunately, this was also when I was exposed to Ultima IV… and my homework never saw me again.
I’m not so sure but I think back THEN there were less captivating PC games as well. My perspective is from the early 00s Russia, when you had to deal with pirated games, unbelievably slow Internet, funny videos shared between friends on CDs, going with a hard drive to a friend’s house just to share your music collection, etc. Basically, we had to know how to do this kind of stuff because the alternative was so expensive. Now with LLMs you don’t even have to “google” anymore, so there’s no need to know, for example, what a file extension is.
Huh? Mac had the better games! In fact I lived in the countryside and our school was mostly Macs until I got to high school.
Huh? Mac had the better games!
That’s a wild claim.
I don’t know about better, but the Mac games I had in elementary school were awesome for kids that age. Oregon trail and number munchers. I don’t think pc gaming had really taken off much at all then. That was years before doom, even.
Did it have Zoo Tycoon? No? I think we’re done here.
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