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The reality is people get laid off or fired for all sorts of reasons. This is the IT equivalent of setting fire to the equipment that you used to build something and the production prototype and walking out the door thinking you can just just leave and get away with it.
In this guy’s fantasy he would be doing 10 to 20 years of prison time if he gets caught and charged with both state and federal crimes. And let’s be real, he’ll definitely get caught.
My first thought was how do you test this actually works?
You ask AI to not delete the production database. Very reliable
Set up a test project I guess.
It’s so wild to see all the fucking hall monitors in here wagging their fingers.
You all deserve whatever you get.
I’m just concerned about their poor opsec
Agreed, if this is true you should not be posting about it at all no matter where it is. It’s best to just keep it quiet because the company at this point can probably get law enforcement involved if they ID the person. The only time a company should know something is going on in this situation your lawyer should already be fully involved.
this is why we should code backdoors while working !
Exactly. Social media ruined some people. You build your backdoor and do this shit well after you’re gone… And if you ever brag to a stranger, you did it for the wrong reasons.
So how did you test it?
Presses button
Syntax error on line 1Shit…
Object reference not set to an instance of an object
The lawyer: “You did WHAT??”
The lawyer: pushes his own button
Also the lawyer: “AND YOU POSTED IT TO TWITTER?!?!”
Beforehand???
The lawyer: Not only that, but PUBLICLY ADMITTED IT?!
Hold on I got a Simpsons gif to make
Judge Snyder: [he has been given a fake verdict by Hutz who listens nearby] This verdict is written on a cocktail napkin! And it still says “guilty!” And “guilty” is spelled wrong! [Hutz squeaks in shock]
If you’ve ever been let go by a corp you know you’re gonna need some sort of remote trigger. They’ll say “Can I see you for a minute?” and then BOOM! out the door.
Deadman switch. Hit the button before all meetings and if you aren’t back in 2 hours to disable it then it would execute.
Run it on a separate machine / account. In big corporate environments, your user account could be disabled by the time you walk into the meeting room.
Better solution, if you can, work for open source companies: at least the codebase is already public!
If you’re in a position to have access make this sort of thing, you likely have access to code bases or system accounts. This is a good way to go to prison IMO.
The trick is to not have to actively do anything, but rather take advantage that employment termination means you legally can not actively do things. A case I recall from a friend was a coworker of his who simply happened to be the only one to know how a particular critical system operated, because the rest of the staff never bothered reading the documentation for emergency. He was not paid for his overtimes for long enough and when he eventually stopped taking overtimes, they fired him for some AI-grade hallucination like “lack of commitment”. Four days after he was fired, they tried to order him to come back for an emergency like he owed them that maintenamce. Though cookie, the company and he signed an employment termination agreement to both their satisfactions that he has no legal obligation to the company.
From what I recall, the recovery procedure was three lines over a telnet connection. No one could even bother to open one (1) tab with the doc and type “HyperTerminal” in the Windows menu, lol.
Oh that trick I fully employed. They had to retire 19 internal applications within a year of me leaving :D
I actually used to know a guy who pulled this sort of thing. Got 4 years, $100k fine and $428k in damages owed. Caused a huge number of problems for an energy company for a month because he got wind they were going to fire him.
I prefer my version of it, which is knowing both who to contact at our largest customers. I’m under no contract that prevents me from showing a customer where and how the metaphorical bodies are buried were I to be terminated. I could do the other kind of stuff, trivially even, but that’s likely to end in prison…
I’ve been in these sorts of situations (had enormous access to critical systems and data and was poorly treated by employer), but logically I just don’t think it is worth the risk to myself, my family, and my future in general to get revenge on these sort of things. It would need to be some sort of Princess Bride situation (“You killed my father, now prepare to die”) kind of thing to bring me to that sort of insanity.
I have also had coworkers that did similar-ish things and they were quite lucky that all that happened was that they were immediately fired and blackballed.
Better, plant it on the account if that co-worker you hate, and still works there, operated off a remote. Then he gets the blame.
There it is, that’s the solution.
Nice!
I got laid off almost 2 years ago. I now work for the same company again working fewer hours at much higher pay. Layoffs aren’t necessarily the end, and they can very much be the start of renegotiating your position
Yea, this is the reason I held my tongue when the company CEO who laid me off last year (Who I worked directly under) posted something about investing in the people who further their goals. Because I had a bunch of very snarky I could have clapped back with, but I decided to not burn the bridge
This guy will never be pro union.
Posting pragmatic advice of “don’t burn bridges” on a post advocating for committing career-ending crimes against your former employer is somehow anti-union? Da fuq?
Sorry man, this isn’t burning Bridges to the guy is talking about, this is ending up in jail. If you want to burn Bridges, yell and scream on your way out the door and say “fuck you everyone!”. What this guy is fantasizing about doing is 10+ years in prison and both state and federal felony charges. “Burning bridges” would not really be his primary concern.
People in my country in my job type tried to make an union, but other unions complained that we have too good to be allowed a union and initial members quickly dwindled.
You should write a book.
I know entire departments that share the same story.
I’d pretend to read it for sure
I’m already pretending to read their work. But for now it’s just comments…
I’m pretending to read pretend comments about a pretend book about a pretend situation!
Well that’s one way to never get another job again.
Killing company honorable though.
If you’re that good, you can contract yourself out.
The future is self-employment and unions.
Of the two I’ll pick wandering into the forest and dying of exposure.
Unions are definitively better than wandering into the forest and dying of exposure.
They still don’t beat just wandering into the forest no risk of dying tho. Have you seen 'em sequoias?
Are there people in the unions?
If so the forest is preferable.
That’s quitter talk, I believe in your ability to become a mystic mountain/forest/cave person that people hear rumors about when hiking the trails during a full moon.
Be the eldritch horror you want to see in the world.
That’s my plan, when the time comes i become the mountain man. I’m not giving up on life just this life.
Then I’m a quitter.
Fuck everyone.
You can quit if you want to
You can leave your friends behind.
If you rage quit, be sure to make a splash!
wait i always thought it was “this cannon is gonna be loaded when i go off”. i’m gonna keep using mine.Pfft, like I have friends
one fuck at a time dude
I mean, I used to be an accountant and now I’m a starving musician. It can be done.
In many cases, you pretty much didn’t exist before you stepped through the doors at your new company. People in all departments are too overloaded with work to take their time properly vetting every person joining the circus
Most companies use background check services nowadays. Sure, you could try to just invent a new persona, but HR will flag you when your name, SSN, DOB, etc come back as bogus.
There are even background check companies that specialize in corporate background checks. They’ll try to estimate or find things like how much you made at your previous/current job, so the company you’re applying for knows what they can offer you without it seeming like a lowball. If a company can spend $100 on a background check and save $10k per year on an employee salary, that’s an easy financial decision for the company.
“most” is the keyword here.
I’d hire him.
I mean, I don’t have a company, or employees, but if I did…I’d hire him.
Thats what they want you to think
It’s the suicide bomber method
In that industry…
Software as a career is dying anyway and the welding union I’m going to apprentice won’t understand, much less care about any of this
Shit they would probably find it funny if you dumb it down for them.
And who is going to know? If you are stupid enough to release the code to your private account, then you might have difficulties to find a new job. Other than that, except when you were in a niche, no one will ever know it was you and the company is not allowed to tell others.
https://cybernews.com/security/fired-contractors-delete-government-databases/
You have zero clue what you’re talking about.
This is criminal behaviour and not only will it prevent future employment it will almost certainly result in jail time.
Well, it depends on where you live I guess, not everything happening in the US is automatically true for the rest of the world. In the US, you as an individual are of no value and your rights get kicked in the balls constantly.
I am not in the US and I can tell you now, this would land you in jail and go on your record in virtually any developed country.
This is a dumb and illegal tantrum by a fool.
I’ve got to laugh at someone from auzzie.zone needing to tell someone they’re not in the US.
There really are some spectacular morons on here.
Sure buddy, those poor corporations need to be protected even more =)
If you didn’t guess I work in cyber security. I’ve gathered the evidence that sends idiots like these to jail.
Go ahead and whinge all you want. Their actions are illegal.
So you are a class traitor disguised as trying to do something cool good? Wow you must be so proud.
A true hero, thank you so much for your service.
no one will ever know it was you and the company is not allowed to tell others.
That’s absolutely not true. The generally accepted policy is to only confirm dates of employment, conduct, and if they would rehire. The can share anything that isn’t a lie.
Additionally, if you commit sabotage you can have charges pressed against you. Serious ones with possible prison time. That would show up with even a rudimentary record search.
And you bet your ass the company would share the court documents with anyone who asked.
I guess it depends on where you live. I could imagine that in the US, you as an individual get way less protection than corporations. Where I live, spreading around that you are a criminal, would be itself a criminal offense, unless you are a person of public interest.
Criminal records have to be provided voluntarily and may not be asked for, if not strictly necessary.
Pretty sure before hiring they can check for criminal records.
Where Iive, you have to provide those voluntarily and it is only allowed to ask for it, when you work with sensitive data or in sensitive environments.
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I know it’s a meme but I’d notify the lawyer before coding that, they’ll laugh themselves silly. Electronic vandalism is still vandalism only the damages are higher.
If I damage $25k worth of stuff that’s my problem
If I damage $25 million worth of code that’s my former employer’s problem
Until a judge rules that you’ll be paying that back over the rest of your life so every month a large court-orderd chunk of your paycheck will leave your account.
You missed my point entirely…
It will still be made your problem by the judge even if your employer doesn’t recover that money will still end up being paid to the majority shareholders.
That is unless you were planning to live without income or decide not to continue living.
What precisely about your point did I miss?
You generally can’t pursue someone for debt after a bankruptcy declaration, depending on the country. So if you’re 25M in debt, you go bankrupt and they can’t chase you for any more. You lose all your current assets, but at least you can rebuild a life. Still, rough path to choose.
That’s not how judicial fines work, they know most people don’t have that amount in the bank so there’s zero point asking for the lump sum. Their aim is to disincentivise future “vandals” by making an example out of the first one. You won’t be able to escape the payments which will be unavoidable due to bankruptcy because a portion of your wages will be garnished so that you’ll have just enough to survive but the rest you’ll be paying back for the rest of your life.
Look what’s happening to that cunt Alex Jones, he can’t escape the settlement to the Sandy Hook families by bankruptcy so he’s doing everything he can to hide his income and assets and appeal the judgement.
Mmmm yes but if you detonate a truck bomb you will die as well 😏🤔 you might destroy your employer but you will destroy yourself in the process as well! ☝️🤓 Which would be very bad for you! And if you survived the judge would surely throw the book at you 😏
So you’re suicidal?
Look I’m all for fucking over the corpo bastards but if you’re planning on sacrificing yourself because you truly think an ideal or cause is worth more than your life you’d be better off destroying the backups, blowing up the offices, and Luigi-ing the entire board of directors.
OR find some other way to fuck them over that doesn’t sacrifice your own life.
Go touch grass
But if AI executes it…
If AI is so smart (it’s not) it can take your job, then it should clearly recognize what is clearly meant as a joke…
You could probably make it look like an accident. “I guess the LLM was having trouble reaching my account after I was deleted, so it posted everything to pastebin so I could see it there”
Still risky and a funnier fantasy than good idea.
That’s actually somewhat plausible, I saw a vid earlier today from some one talking about how their work coding AI agent noticed that their NPM was set to only update package dependencies 7 days after release because ya know best security practices and all that
It “helpfully” set it to 0 because they would miss top features otherwise LMAO
The front end industry is pathologically obsessed with newness. So much unproductive churn.
“This project is DEAD! It hasn’t had a major release in THREE MONTHS!”
“This is the same API this framework had TWO YEARS AGO!”Today, I tried to prevent Claude from reading my .env files. This was pretty easy and worked, but now Claude was just writing php snippets to get config values set by this .env.
(I have to use ai for work, personally I never use it)
I’m only just learning, but my approach is to essentially built a bunch of functions around every prompt. I just too many stories of AI deleting everything to trust it to run without checks upon checks upon checks.
I hate AI. But this should realistically be called a “arrest me” button.
Yes, you’re correct, fighting back often requires personal sacrifices.
I really hope this kind of stand off becomes normalized. We can all lose.
You seem like the only person in this thread who seems to be aware of the world around them
big companies leeching off open source and getting their products leaked after a single phishing mail never stops being entertaining
Oops, silly me, getting tricked by phishing emails after hearing we were all being laid off. Teehee
i mean, that’s legitimately why they escort you out immediately after telling you you’re fired. most people can be responsible but there’s always that one shitass
I would also call it “Sue me lol” button
Well yeah, that’s why it automatically calls his lawyer. Edit: That and also the likely criminal charges.
i am pretty sure he’s smart enough to understand this. more people should be willing to make these decisions despite personal costs, otherwise we are proving everyone right who says americans are complacent etc etc
Pretty sure it’s just a joke post. Someone smart enough to make something like that is also smart enough to not put a neon sign over themselves with a post like that - if they were serious, I mean.
The goal is to cause more damage than you’d ever be able to repay in your life.
You could still end up like Gary Bowser getting wages garnished for life by Nintendo, or in prison.
Did I stutter? (Using that comically), but seriously, it comes to a point where it doesn’t matter what happens to you. You know you’ll end up in prison, you know you’ll have to pay it back, but if you’re gonna do it, make sure that it’s something that will be a net loss to them (or their insurers).
I get what you were saying for sure. Maybe I was being pedantic, but I was thinking it’s worth repeating so people make an informed decision about these things.
I did that in the bathroom
It’s not just the smell, it’s the poverty
Yeah. Maybe call your lawyer before publishing the company code base so they can tell you not to do that.
