• TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Luckily the US built a border wall so Mexico won’t be overflooded with illegal immigrants trying to profit the free health care.

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        Careful what you wish for. I don’t want them in my country, even if they bring money. They fuck everything up. I’m not anti immigrants and refugees, they are welcome, they should be treated better, like equals which sadly isn’t always the case in my country. But Americans are a different story. There are some proper Americans, I have a few American friends that are proper, but in general I don’t like to have Americans around.

        Even their money can fuck everything up. Like raise property prices so locals can’t buy property anymore. Same with groceries etc.

        It’s better to keep them isolated in their own mess. Otherwise they will leave the mess they made to create more mess where you live, then to go somewhere else after that. Irresponsible and selfish people will only bring misery onto others.

        In the movie Team America they have a nice saying. “There are pussies, dicks and assholes”. Right now Americans are the assholes. They need to get fucked “otherwise you will have all your pussies and dicks all covered in shit.”

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          Honestly, you’re getting a bad bias from the kinds of Americans that currently are immigrating there. The important thing to understand is you don’t want the Americans with money, you want the Americans without any money that are willing to work and help other people out. Lol. See, what you’ve got right now are all of the rich assholes that don’t care about the culture or people of where they’re moving to - they just want to live like kings in a cheap city that they can turn into an asshole bubble that prices all of the normal people out. Rich people are leeches. Ultimately, the world would be a better place with open borders everywhere, but no rich assholes. Think about why borders even exist. In what world does it matter? The only reason is ultimately just rich assholes not wanting to dilute their wealth. The best thing we can do at this point is to convince them to go to Mars and leave them there.

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    Congratulations Mexico! It’s nice to read a positive article for once. Happy for everyone this allows a pathway to getting the healthcare treatment they deserve.

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    How will this impact the medical tourism industry that Americans depend on for affordable healthcare?

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      It’ll probably stay the same. This administration is very aware of these issues and I doubt they’ll intervene. Private practice is already available to anyone who wants it, no questions asked.

      Source: am Mexican living in Mexico

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        I’m sure it will persist, as it primarily services Americans. And their money is still good.

        If anything, we’ll see the Mexican health care system expand in order to absorb all the domestic residents who can now afford the same care

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      I’m sure you need to be a Mexican citizen to qualify for the program, I imagine foreigners get a bill. But I’m an American that expects a crippling bill from medical care so I have a bias.

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        We have free at point of service health care in Canada for those signed up to the plan. You don’t have to be a citizen just a resident and wait your 2 month grace period. For tourists and non signed up folks you pay the costs out of pocket, but they are reasonable compared to USA. A coworker wasn’t here long enough for the signup and dislocated his shoulder. Hospital visit, xray, sling, etc $400

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        In some countries they don’t even have the financial infrastructure to bill patients, so injured tourists get free health care. A big chunk of American medical bills is due to the cost of billing.

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            The ones i know: Denmark, England, Sweden, Norway

            But I would imagine that most other countries with unified tax paid healthcare would be the same.

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            I never went to surgery or anything, but I’ve been to a couple of Drs in Mexico and it’s basically just like paying the copay and just peacing out. Most of the time you can just ask the pharmacist and they prescribe whatever right there.

            You’re overestimating the American Healthcare system.

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    not free; tax funded

    Which is great! Taxes should be invested in citizen’s needs.

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      Free as in “free at the point of service”.
      Of course it is paid for somehow.
      But as far a a someone going into a hospital to get a cast, medicine, birth… It’s free

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        Yes I mean nothing is free if we try to be strict about it. The word would have no meaning. I think we all understand “sold at zero price” but there are always people in the crowd who want to pop up and say “it’s not free! someone pays!” Typically their next move is to start breaking down who pays and why it’s unfair. I have no patience for them.

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          I dont have patience for those people either, but in general a lot of people feel taxes are the state taking away money. Where i live this is true for large corpo’s and rich folk (‘the state should not waste money on things people can pay for by themselves’ is how they tend to put it here), but also by people with low wages tend to complain about how the state robs them. Reminding them how things they use are funded by the taxes they pay (roads, hospitals, police, education) can help them; because here they tend to fall for the retoric of the parties serving the rich and they sometimes truly believe the country would be nicer if they paid less taxes (not understanding they would have much more trouble paying for things like education and healthcare). For that reason I much prefer ‘tax-funded healthcare/public transport/education’, as calling it free is like giving a weapon to the group of people and corporations trying to lower their tax burden (and getting out of their responsibilities as the heavy lifters of funding public services).

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        That’s true. Unfortunately, calling it free is often used by people who want to paint it as infeasible, and is used as an excuse to cut funding—even when data shows it’s an investment with human and monetary rewards.

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            Conservative America is driven so hard by the fear of somebody poorer darker skinned than you getting something you’re not.

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          As far as everyone except oligarchs are concerned, it means everyone can access it without getting financially fucked over into debt. And that’s excellent news.

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            incorrect slightly- while most boomer and right wing assholes know it means free at point of service and tax funded they act like it means “free for welfare queens and illegals” because they think daddy capitalist is watching them lick boots.

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            You get free police beatings. And if you’re stopped they will empty the money out of your wallet as “civil asset forfeiture”. So not exactly a cost but not exactly free.

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      also money is fictional so i consider it “free” if it helps the people actually.

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      I agree, as a Canadian even if not perfect I couldn’t imagine having a pay system or even what the US calls healthcare. That’s the point of taxation, we get roads that are drivable, healthcare that is affordable and stuff like food standards, clean drinking water, education. The billionaires are trying to say everyone else doesn’t need such things so they can get a bigger nibble of the pie when they already have truckloads.

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      There are so many health services that can be delivered en masse at very little cost. I once lived in a “3rd world” country with state sponsored healthcare. They had an army of nurses in shop storefronts delivering vaccines and basic meds for common illnesses. Just walk in. Nothing fancy - one of them literally reused hypodermic needles after sterilizing them with a bunsen burner. But how fancy does it actually need to be?

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    If you’d told any American 40 years ago that Mexico’s democracy in 2026 would make Americas look pathetic, they’d have called you crazy and then beaten you up. Not so much anymore.

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      Mexico’s was fragmented aoarenrly so these steps are harmonizing it all.

      .“The objective is that any citizen can attend any health institution and be guaranteed full and free coverage.” That line captures the structural change at the center of the 2027 plan—not just expanding coverage, but eliminating the fragmentation that has historically defined Mexico’s system.

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    Healthcare in Mexico has been free and public for decades. There are still paid private practices and having social security limits the public providers you can use but Article 77 Bis-1 of the General Health Law states that anyone without social security can be treated for free. That article was first published in 2002 and last modified in 2023. This is just the administration claiming that they enacted (excellent) old laws.

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      “without social security can be treated”

      I read that as without social media and had to back the truck up after a couple seconds lol

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      It was free for workers and a few administrations ago they implemented a free for all program that was mostly cancelled. They system was also divided by private workers and government workers with different quality of services , this tries to implement all services into one, hopefully it works but this administration has not been very good at the implementation phase of any project

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    Mexican here. They are saying everything is free now, but there are not enough medicines, doctors or hospitals so is just a shallow gesture.

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      Free with crazy wait times is still surely better than expensive with crazy wait times?

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        Mexico has around 25 Doctors per 100000 capita. That is lower than almost all European countries that averaged 40 Doctors per 100000 capita.

        When it comes to nurses, the comparison is worse. 29/100000capita in Mexico and over 100/100000capita in Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Ireland, Switzerland, Belgium and the Netherlands. With no EU nation falling below 40/100000capita.

        https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/doctors-per-capita-by-country

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          We pay out the ass and still have to schedule a surgery 4 months out or just argue with insurance denials for cancer treatment until we die first. Show up to an ER with something that won’t immediately kill you and be prepared to wait for 5 hours so a doctor can see you for literally 5 minutes. Nursing homes will bill you $4,000 a month to share a room while you wait to dies, with staff going down to like 2 people for 60 people after 7pm.

          The only ones there’s enough doctors for are the wealthy. Everywhere else your screwed, and also get billed into permanent debt. It’s like $15,000 just to have a baby. Heart attack will run you six figures .

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          No we just don’t get medical care if there’s any way to avoid it. If it was free we’d have a doctor shortage instantly.

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            We already have a doctor shortage in a lot of places in the US, even without single payer healthcare :/

            Part of it is due to private equity destroying private practice and buying up healthcare providers

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              You’re being deliberately obtuse. You smarmily answered your own question in your previous drivel comment.

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      It’s a step. Vs. medicines too expensive to buy, and doctors that you can’t see for months who run you through the mill to get their numbers up. I can’t say which is worse when the result is about the same. At least you have more of a chance now.

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        Kaiser was excellent when they only provided service to kiaser members. When the government stepped in, the whole system went to shit. They still have the same amount of doctors so the only thing that happened in now everyone gets shitty service and long wait times.

        Sometimes the government getting involved isn’t a good thing.

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      How is it a shallow gesture when people can now get the care, instead of just dying or suffering?

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        Well their original comment alluded to people not being able to get care because there aren’t enough medicines, doctors, or hospitals.

        I hope they answer you, because I know nothing about what’s going on there, but I’m fairly certain that was their point.

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        Because healthcare has been free in Mexico for decades. This seems like the usual political posturing. Saying “healthcare is free” is an empty statement if people are turned away at the point of service because of a lack of medicine or service providers. Give them three months and then check again. Then you’ll know if it was a shallow gesture or not.

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          But a cursory google search shows that it isn’t currently free for everyone, and in particular tied to your employment status. This means that in your negotiations with your employer, your health is essentially a bargaining chip (and this is bad for you and your salary for obvious reasons). The new system abolishes this tie to employment. This is a huge step for workers and the unemployed alike. This is not a hollow gesture.

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            It is linked to employment but equal and mandatory for all employees, so not quite a bargaining chip in the way it is in the usa

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              If you lose your job, you lose your coverage. That makes it a bargaining chip. The employer has one up on you in negotiations. When I negotiate my salary (my health insurance is not tied to my employment), I know that if I can’t work it out with my (potential) employer, and I get sick, I’ll be fine. Not so if my coverage was tied to employment. The pressure to accept an offer that’s worse for me would be much higher.

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      Paying for some supply through progressive taxes is better than everyone paying a flat rate, even if that supply is scarce.

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      But now you can say your healthcare system is as good as the one in the UK, which is nice. It’s not like the US can say that.

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    Yay! Also Mexico got free healthcare before the U.S.A. and North Korea may get a female leader before the U.S.A. gets a female president. Truly 'murica

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      This is going to be terrible for the shareholders and the health insurance companies!